View Full Version : The Top prospects in the Red Sox system.
scaffolds
08-22-2007, 06:51 PM
There still a couple weeks left on the minor league calender, but after having watch or talking with people in the industry who has seen this prospects on a regular basis its time to make the list of the top Red Sox prospects.
The last couple of years I have made a list of the 50 Red Sox prospects, but because the talent and depth has improved considerably I have decided to increased the list to the top 75 prospects on the system, THis list is based on Projections, Ceiling, Tools, Prospect Age and Player Production. This list isn't based on the prospect playing level or how close to ML the prospect playing level is.
The top 75 prospects:
01- Clay Buchholz RHP
02- Jacoby Ellsbury CF
03- Michael Bowden RHP
04- Lars Anderson 1B
05- Justin Masterson RHP
06- Brandon Moss RF
07- Craig Hansen RHP
08- Michael Almanzar 3B
09- Josh Reddick RF
10- Oscar Tejada SS
11- Jed Lowrie 2B
12- Will Middlebrook 3B
13- Aaron Bate 1B
14- Che-Hsuang Lin CF
15- Nick Hagadone LHP
16- Ryan Kalish CF
17- Chris Carter 1B
18- Kris Johnson LHP
19- Jason Place RF
20- Anthony Rizzo 1B
21- Chih-Hsien Chiang 2B
22- Reid Engel CF
23- Miguel Socolovitch RHP
24- Mark Wagner C
25- Tony Granadillo 2B
26- Manuel Arrambaris 3B
27- Bryson Cox RHP
28- Dustin Richardson LHP
29- Carlos Fernandez LF
30- Daniel Bard RHP
31- Zachary Daeges LF
32- David Mailman RF
33- Argenis Diaz SS
34- Ryan Dent 2B
35- Felix Ventura RHP
36- George kottaras C
37- Jose Capellan LHP
38- Mike Jones 1B
39- Yamaico Navarro SS
40- Tyler Weedem C
41- Devern Hansack RHP
42- Bubba Bell CF
43- Richie Lentz RHP
44- Edgar Martinez RHP
45- Jose Alvarez LHP
46- Luis Summoza RF
47- Ryan Phillips LHP
48- Jon Eagan C
49- Kyle Jackson RHP
50- Felix Doubront LHP
51- Caleb Clay RHP
52- Hunter Jones LHP
53- Jonathan Still 1B
54- Jordan Craft RHP
55- Dustin Brown C
56- Stolmy Pimentel RHP
57- Kris Negron 2B
58- Mickey Hall RF
59- Ronald Bermudez CF
60- Andrew Pinkney 3B
61- Arbert Jimenez LHP
62- Michael Rozier LHP
63- Christian Lara SS
64- Chad Spann 3B
65- Cesar Cabral LHP
66- Luis Exposito C
67- Yeiper Castillo RHP
68- Jeff Corsoletti LF
69- Jeff Natale 2B
70- Mitchell Dening RF
71- Anthony Alvarado RHP
72- Austin Bailey RHP
73- Brake Britton LHP
74- Scott White 3B
75- Jorge Rodriguez RHP
schillingouttheks
08-22-2007, 07:48 PM
Is Chris Carter that low because of his lack of defense alone? He seems like he can absolutely rake with the bat.
scaffolds
08-22-2007, 07:55 PM
Is Chris Carter that low because of his lack of defense alone? He seems like he can absolutely rake with the bat.
Yes, first base its his best position, but even at first he is below average.
schillingouttheks
08-22-2007, 07:57 PM
Yes, first base its his best position, but even at first he is below average.
Okay. Thanks scaff.
KeepTheFaith1229
08-22-2007, 08:02 PM
very good list I think. Kottaras only 36 though?
schillingouttheks
08-22-2007, 08:11 PM
very good list I think. Kottaras only 36 though?
He's really not that great this year.
TheKilo
08-22-2007, 08:15 PM
He's really not that great this year.
Dude rakes outside of RI.
scaffolds
08-22-2007, 08:21 PM
Kottaras didn't had a good year, but this list isn't just about production, there still questions on his catching, his arm, his ability to call a game. Its way to early to give up on him and like I posted before he needs another full season in AAA.
AZBlue
08-22-2007, 10:03 PM
I look at the top 20 as having an excellent chance to reach the majors and being productive players. Many of the next 20 have a moderately good chance (a couple with high ceilings who are experiencing a bumpy road this season). Below 40, there aren't many who look like strong prospects (perhaps a return to good health would change my mind about a few of them--Doubront, for example). There are several younger prospects in the 41-75 range who have some interesting skills, particularly the Latin OF's.
Thank you, Scaf, for putting so much time into this project.
example1
08-22-2007, 10:31 PM
Lin vs. Almanzar as prospects. Please elaborate...
Both are very high priced international signings. Almanzar obviously is an enormous guy, and very young. But from what I've read Lin has quite an upside. Any thought given to bumping him above Moss or Reddick based on his history and the tools he brings?
I like this list, it seems pretty solid.
UC9904
08-23-2007, 10:54 AM
I only have two big problems with that list:
1. Kris Johnson should be higher.
2. I have trouble putting a guy like Almanzar in the top 10 until more people get to see him play and we can get a better scouting report on him. But I guess that is just a differing in philosophies, as I have more of a wait-and-see approach with International free agents.
UC9904
08-23-2007, 10:54 AM
And just for some fun, here's my top 40 prospects list:
1. SP Clay Buchholz (RH)
2. CF Jacoby Ellsbury (LH)
3. SP Justin Masterson
4. SP Michael Bowden (RH)
5. 1B Lars Anderson (LH)
6. SS Jed Lowrie (RH)
7. RF Brandon Moss (RH)
8. SP Nick Hagadone (LH)
9. SP Kris Johnson (LH)
10. 1B Aaron Bates (RH)
11. 3B Will Middlebrooks (RH)
12. OF Josh Reddick (LH)
13. CF Ryan Kalish (LH)
14. C Mark Wagner (RH)
15. SS Oscar Tejeda (RH)
16. C/DH Jon Still (RH)
17. 1B Chris Carter (LH)
18. CF Che-Hsuan Lin (RH)
19. CF Reid Engel (LH)
20. OF Bubba Bell (LH)
21. 3B Michael Almanzar (RH)
22. CF Jason Place (RH)
23. SP David Pauley (RH)
24. SS Ryan Dent (RH)
25. RP Hunter Jones (LH)
26. OF David Mailman (LH)
27. C George Kottaras (LH)
28. IF Tony Granadillo (SH)
29. 2B Chih-Hsien Chiang (LH)
30. SP/RP Dustin Richardson (LH)
31. SP Jose Capellan (LH)
32. SP Daniel Bard (RH)
33. RP Adam Mills (RH)
34. C Ty Weeden (RH)
35. RP Bryce Cox (RH)
36. LF Carlos Fernandez (LH)
37. 3B Zach Daeges (LH)
38. 1B Anthony Rizzo (LH)
39. 3B Chad Spann (RH)
40. SP Drake Britton (LH)
On the radar:
RP Edgar Martinez (RH)
RP Lincoln Holdzcom (RH)
SP Daniel Haigwood (LH)
RP Kyle Jackson (RH)
2B Jeff Natale (RH)
LF Jay Johnson (RH)
SP Michael Rozier (LH)
SP Matt Goodson (RH)
C Sal Paniagua (RH)
IF Ryan Khoury (RH)
SP Ryan Phillips (LH)
SP Jimmy James (RH)
SP/RP Chris Jones (RH)
RP Richie Lentz (RH)
RP Chris Province (RH)
C Jon Egan (RH)
3B Manuel Arambarris (RH)
SP Caleb Clay (RH)
SP Miguel Socolovich (RH)
IF Yamaico Navarro (RH)
1B/3B Jorge Jiminez (LH)
OF Kade Keowen (RH)
3B Darren Blocker (RH)
OF Luis Sumoza (RH)
Yet to debut:
SP Drake Britton (LH)
SP Austin Bailey (RH)
3B Will Middlebrooks (RH)
SS Ryan Dent (RH)
OF David Mailman (LH)
1B Anthony Rizzo (LH)
3B Michael Almanzar (RH)
scaffolds
08-23-2007, 11:11 AM
AZBlue my pleasure, The 21-40 group consist of prospects with very good tools, some with high ceiling, but in general prospects with more questions than the ones in the first group.
The 41-75 group consist of three parts, prospects that had a down year or had health issues in 2007 but in general have tools to work on, prospects who are older, with limeted tools and ceiling, but ones who have produced and very young ones with very good tools and projections, but are raw.
scaffolds
08-23-2007, 11:24 AM
Lin vs. Almanzar as prospects. Please elaborate...
Both are very high priced international signings. Almanzar obviously is an enormous guy, and very young. But from what I've read Lin has quite an upside. Any thought given to bumping him above Moss or Reddick based on his history and the tools he brings?
I like this list, it seems pretty solid.
Lin and Almanzar are very different type of prospects. The hardest tool for a scout to find in a prospect is power, projected power and Almanzar has plus plus projected power, with plus bat speed, good athletic ability and hands specially for someone of his size and a strong arm. Lin has outstanding speed, a very good arm, with very good range in the outfield, a true center fielder, while he has good bat speed and pop its the key for him as a prospect.
scaffolds
08-24-2007, 06:32 PM
Since we have made the list of the top 75 prospects, why not list the next 25 to reach the top 100 prospects in the Red Sox system.
76- David Pauley RHP
77- Kade keowen RF
78- Brock Huntzinger RHP
79- Randy Consuegra RHP
80- Hunter Strickland RHP
81- Anataner Batista RHP
82- David Marks LF
83- Manuel Rivera LHP
84- Darren Blocker 3B
85- Thomas Presley RHP
86- Dennis Neuman RHP
87- Roberto Feliz LF
88- Willy Mota RHP
89- Pedro Perez RHP
90- Luis Soto RF
91- Adam Mills RHP
92- Carlos Gonzalez RHP
93- Joseph Guerra RHP
94- Jorge Jimenez 3B
95- Jimmy James RHP
96- Wilfredo Pichardo 2B
97- Chad Rhodes RHP
98- Chris Province RHP
99- Charles New RHP
00- Jay Johnson OF
scaffolds
08-25-2007, 05:20 PM
Someone Email me questioning why Jon Still was ranked so low (53) the reasoning its this. Still had a good season at Greenville and has played well in Lancaster, but Still its below average in all phases of catching (recieving, blocking pitches and arm) which means his future could only be as first basemen, however he its also below average as a defensive first baseman and while he has some pop with the bat its only adequate for the position.
UC9904
08-26-2007, 11:53 AM
Still is one of the better power hitting prospects in the Red Sox organization. Whether he has a definitive defensive position at this point in his career or not, it's a joke that he is ranked as low as he is. And there is zero reason why Adam Mills should AT LEAST be in the top 60...NOT in the 90's!
I'm the last person to question individuals' personal rankings, but some of the rankings of a few specific prospects are...to say it nicely...a little weird.
AZBlue
08-26-2007, 02:23 PM
Re-read the criteria for Scaf's rankings. That might give you a better idea why they are not ranked higher. You obviouslyhave a different opinion than Scaf. I'm curious to know if you have ever seen Still or Mills play.
UC9904
08-26-2007, 04:00 PM
I don't care what his rankings criteria is. Placing Still at #53 is indefensible (and I'm not a Still fan in the least bit, and think he is overranked on soxprospects.com).
AZBlue
08-26-2007, 08:36 PM
I'm still curious to know if you have ever seen Still or Mills play.
RobZombie
08-26-2007, 09:21 PM
Obviously he hasn't. He's just another one of those guys who thinks that stats mean everything and at baseball's lower levels they can often mean very little.
Still's stats were strong in Greenville but a guy who has played three years at a baseball school should be putting up strong stats in the Sally League. In fact, the vast majority of guys who did well at baseball school's their junior year ended up in high-A for most of the year and the ones that did well, went to AA at some point. Bates played in the same conference. I'm not all that impressed with a guy who puts up a .923 OPS playing against guys that are often three years younger.
In Still's short time at Lancaster, you've seen a significant dip in his production and he's playing in a band-box.
Its way to early to tell, but Still seems to have all the earmarks of a low minors masher who ends up as a 24 year old in AA with mediocre numbers, and no position much like Pinkney, Natale, and Corsaletti. This despite killing pitching in the low-minors.
Mr Crunchy
08-27-2007, 08:09 AM
jesus christ
is this everyone signed from A ball thru Pawtucket?
scaffolds
08-27-2007, 10:47 AM
jesus christ
is this everyone signed from A ball thru Pawtucket?
There are close to 200 players in the Red Sox system, so this list its actually about 50 % of them.
schillingouttheks
08-27-2007, 04:56 PM
Scaff, what are your thoughts on Zak Farkes (if you've ever seen him play)? He played baseball at my high school and went to Harvard and broke the home run record, then re-broke his own record a year later. He's basically a minor deity at my school. Thanks!
scaffolds
08-27-2007, 05:55 PM
Scaff, what are your thoughts on Zak Farkes (if you've ever seen him play)? He played baseball at my high school and went to Harvard and broke the home run record, then re-broke his own record a year later. He's basically a minor deity at my school. Thanks!
The move to be catcher has benefit him, he has some power and a good arm, but not much more, his age its also a problem, he will be 25 yrs early next season, if the Sox don't re-sign Paniagua (A minor league free agent this fall) he will be Mark Wagner back up in Portland if not he be Still back up in Lancaster.
schillingouttheks
08-27-2007, 06:14 PM
The move to be catcher has benefit him, he has some power and a good arm, but not much more, his age its also a problem, he will be 25 yrs early next season, if the Sox don't re-sign Paniagua (A minor league free agent this fall) he will be Mark Wagner back up in Portland if not he be Still back up in Lancaster.
Alrighty. Thanks!
Bosoxwest
08-27-2007, 06:50 PM
Scaff, great job. Always fun and informative to see these kids put in some context. One guy jumped out at me, and I know you've always been high on him - Socolovich. His peripherals are not awe-inspiring in low-A - what stands out to you for his future? Make-up? Is he going to get stronger as he comes back from TJ? Good profile in the bullpen? Just curious.
scaffolds
08-27-2007, 07:48 PM
Scaff, great job. Always fun and informative to see these kids put in some context. One guy jumped out at me, and I know you've always been high on him - Socolovich. His peripherals are not awe-inspiring in low-A - what stands out to you for his future? Make-up? Is he going to get stronger as he comes back from TJ? Good profile in the bullpen? Just curious.
I don't believe that Socolovitch was back to 100 % early in the year. He it the type of a pitcher who could have a future either as a starter or a reliever, as a starter he is around 92-94 with his fastball and a good breaking pitch, as a reliever he is up to 97, however he needs to get stronger, for now I believe that the Sox will keep him as a starter and should be one the starters in Greenville in 2008.
example1
08-27-2007, 07:52 PM
I don't believe that Socolovitch was back to 100 % early in the year. He it the type of a pitcher who could have a future either as a starter or a reliever, as a starter he is around 92-94 with his fastball and a good breaking pitch, as a reliever he is up to 97, however he needs to get stronger, for now I believe that the Sox will keep him as a starter and should be one the starters in Greenville in 2008.
Yeah dude, I don't care whether you're a 'real' scout, or a ' fake scout', whether you have fans at soxprospects.com or not, I appreciate your posts and feel that you are a welcome addition to this site. I like soxprospects, quite a bit actually because of their dilligence in updating and giving a good idea of where the system is at, but I don't see how that excludes me from liking your posts. Kudos.
riverside sluggers
08-27-2007, 08:01 PM
Not surprised at all that catcher John Otness isnt in here. Ive seen him in several games up in Portland, quickly gave him the nickname of "Butterfingers". He also displayed bad batting skills. Just something thats been on my mind for the past week
Moving on. Scaff, what are your thoughts on Portland fan favorite Iggy Suarez? I say fan favorite becase he gets the most cheers when he is playing in the game. Obviously if he makes the majors it will just be as a utility infielder
scaffolds
08-27-2007, 08:23 PM
Yeah dude, I don't care whether you're a 'real' scout, or a ' fake scout', whether you have fans at soxprospects.com or not, I appreciate your posts and feel that you are a welcome addition to this site. I like soxprospects, quite a bit actually because of their dilligence in updating and giving a good idea of where the system is at, but I don't see how that excludes me from liking your posts. Kudos.
It well known the stuff about being a fake scout, is a way for the people at Soxprospect to try to put me down, it doesn't surprised me from those people at that board. but if they want to live a lied let them do, I enjoy talking about the Red Sox prospects and sharing my knowledge with my fellow Red Sox prospect followers.
scaffolds
08-27-2007, 08:43 PM
Not surprised at all that catcher John Otness isnt in here. Ive seen him in several games up in Portland, quickly gave him the nickname of "Butterfingers". He also displayed bad batting skills. Just something thats been on my mind for the past week
Moving on. Scaff, what are your thoughts on Portland fan favorite Iggy Suarez? I say fan favorite becase he gets the most cheers when he is playing in the game. Obviously if he makes the majors it will just be as a utility infielder
You're right Otness isn't much of a prospect, Suarez defense its well known, his bat its the key, however he will be 27 yrs early next year, his chances of reaching the ML are slim, it depends what are the Sox plans for Lowrie in 2008, if they keep him as a short stop Suarez will return to Portland if they decided that Lowrie its better as a second baseman ( like i believe he is) Suarez wil be Pawtucket SS in 2008.
carltonfiskga
10-03-2007, 09:25 AM
Scaffs,
you still around? HAven't seen an update in awhile and I find most of them very informative from you.
A couple of questions for you.
IS there any further updates from the latin america free agent market or has basically all the top signings been signed and accounted for by most of the MLB clubs?
What is your take on the signing out of Taiwan of that 18 year old catcher the other day? You know anything about him?
scaffolds
10-07-2007, 10:22 AM
Scaffs,
you still around? HAven't seen an update in awhile and I find most of them very informative from you.
A couple of questions for you.
IS there any further updates from the latin america free agent market or has basically all the top signings been signed and accounted for by most of the MLB clubs?
What is your take on the signing out of Taiwan of that 18 year old catcher the other day? You know anything about him?
Thank you, I will be around from time to time, I don't know much about Chia-Chu Chen, my connections in the Pacific Rim scoutings is very limeted. The second phase of International players signing is underway and will run to the end of the year. I will have some names of players who the Red Sox have signed in a few weeks.
scaffolds
10-10-2007, 05:53 PM
I was Email a few days ago asking me why I had Jed Lowrie ranked as the organization #11 prospect and the reason is this. Lowrie doesn't have soft hands and his hands are erractic and his lack of range and arm strength doesn't compesate for.
Lowrie had a very good between Portland and Pawtucket, but his bat is very streaky and none of his ofensive tools are above average.
BA has said that Lowrie could play SS at the ML level on a regular basis, but the issue is that BA based his information mainly on league managers and coaches and while they are baseball people they don't follow over all details like a scout would, BA also consults scouts but no more than 2 or 3 of them by league. Baseball scouting is a unique practice and one where there could be multiple scouting reports or opinion in a player, in general the scouting report on Lowrie is that he could be an ideal second hitter in a line up while playing second base, but that he couldn't play SS at the ML level day in day out.
In conclusion the Red Sox are going to have to make decision some time in 2008 which way they are going to when it comes to second base. Lowrie while a better athlete than Pedroia isn't the answer over Pedroia and because of it will be traded for a need.
jacksonianmarch
10-11-2007, 08:58 AM
It would be interesting, though, if the sox decided to make a big splash by dealing Pedroia and then go with the rookie Lowrie while upgrading somewhere else.
ksushi
10-11-2007, 12:15 PM
Very doubtful, though.
BSN07
10-11-2007, 03:41 PM
I can't see Theo parting with the poster child of the farm system. Youk maybe, but not Pedroia.
TheKilo
10-11-2007, 03:43 PM
I can't see Theo parting with the poster child of the farm system. Youk maybe, but not Pedroia.
Kinda like when he didn't trade Nomar, right?
What exactly are we talking about that makes Lowrie suitable for 2B but inadequate at SS? The requirements for range are about the same. Good hands are equally valuable. If it's anything other than arm, I'd like to know what it is, and while I've not seen him, most of what I've read suggests his arm is fine for the position.
With that in mind, what would the cutoff point be in offensive vs. defensive value? With the way his bat is performing, he'd have to be pretty fucking shitty in the field to not warrant consideration of keeping him and playing him up the middle with Pedroia.
jacksonianmarch
10-11-2007, 07:47 PM
Kinda like when he didn't trade Nomar, right?
if the right name comes along, Pedroia is gone. Same with us, if the right name comes along, its bye bye Cano.
example1
10-12-2007, 12:22 AM
Kinda like when he didn't trade Nomar, right?
We're talking about two different kinds of homegrown here TheKilo. :lol:
The current FO puts ultimate emphasis on OBP as a measure of plate discipline. Nomar was not a disciplined hitter. He simply wasn't. He was great for a few years but one can see from Pedroia that he will be getting on base consistently for years to come at a VERY reasonable rate.
Of course his name will eventually come up as trade bait, but the comparison to Nomar is a bit off-base, IMO.
TheKilo
10-12-2007, 01:45 AM
We're talking about two different kinds of homegrown here TheKilo. :lol:
The current FO puts ultimate emphasis on OBP as a measure of plate discipline. Nomar was not a disciplined hitter. He simply wasn't. He was great for a few years but one can see from Pedroia that he will be getting on base consistently for years to come at a VERY reasonable rate.
Of course his name will eventually come up as trade bait, but the comparison to Nomar is a bit off-base, IMO.
Disagree.
If OBP is so important why do we have Coco and Lugo in the lineup?
rician blast
10-12-2007, 10:48 AM
With the way his bat is performing, he'd have to be pretty fucking shitty in the field to not warrant consideration of keeping him and playing him up the middle with Pedroia.
I assume you mean that Peroia would move to SS? I don't like that idea, just don't see him as a long-term solution at short.
jacksonianmarch
10-12-2007, 11:21 AM
I am sure the brass has seen more than anyone else on this board has. And with Theo, you know defense plays in the equation. Plus, you already have a shortstop who, while he isnt a total liability, is completely untradeable at this point. I think the brass are going to sit back and see what happens. If a sweet deal comes along for a starter and they want Pedroia, dont be surprised if Duddy hits the road. It is nice to have those kind of options.
I assume you mean that Peroia would move to SS? I don't like that idea, just don't see him as a long-term solution at short.
No, I'm thinking Lowrie plays SS. He's got the better arm, and he played there almost all year this year. The BA write up on him has managers from around the EL and IL stating he's more than adequate at short.
scaffolds
10-12-2007, 12:01 PM
A short stop needs a better range than a second baseman, also a more secure hands, that's why Lowrie projects as a second baseman, also its well known that Lowrie doesn't have a strong arm.
Why does a SS need more secure hands than a 2B? This is a baseballism that doesn't pass the smell test. They both handle the ball in the middle of the infield, with roughly equivalent frequency and demand for precision.
I don't mean to be redundant, but the difference between the two in terms of position is the length of the throw to 1B. They both need to be able to cover ground, they both need to be able to handle the ball well. He's got the stronger arm over Pedroia, and if his bat is worth keeping, he ought to get a look at SS.
scaffolds
10-12-2007, 02:46 PM
Why does a SS need more secure hands than a 2B? This is a baseballism that doesn't pass the smell test. They both handle the ball in the middle of the infield, with roughly equivalent frequency and demand for precision.
I don't mean to be redundant, but the difference between the two in terms of position is the length of the throw to 1B. They both need to be able to cover ground, they both need to be able to handle the ball well. He's got the stronger arm over Pedroia, and if his bat is worth keeping, he ought to get a look at SS.
A second baseman can still make a play even if he doesn't catch the ball clean, a SS in most plays needs to catch the ball clean, specially if they don't have a strong arm, in Lowrie's case his arm is very average.
Good point. How does his ability at short rate? I understand the point that he profiles better at 2B, but would he be adequate at short? I think his bat is going to spark some interesting consideration there.
What would you do, Scaff, if he can swing it like he has at the next level? Play him at short? Trade Pedroia? Or see what kind of buzz he creates and move him?
At this point, it sounds like his offensive ability will be better than Pedroia's (same hitting ability, minus some contact skill, but with much more power). I like Dustin, but I always like the better player more.
scaffolds
10-12-2007, 04:48 PM
While Lowrie is more athletic, I like Pedroia's game better, more than likely Lowrie will be traded.
jacksonianmarch
10-12-2007, 05:27 PM
But in the trade game, value is always the most important thing. If you consider that Lowrie and Pedroia are similar, but Pedroia can net you 75% more in terms of talent, even though you like Pedroia better, isnt it more beneficial to the sox to trade DPed?
example1
10-12-2007, 06:11 PM
Disagree.
If OBP is so important why do we have Coco and Lugo in the lineup?
Because there aren't the OBP and defensive equivalents of both of those players available otherwise. I think you will see Jacoby Ellsbury--who provides the same speed, defense and power as Crisp--quickly take over for Crisp. Not because he's cheaper, or because he's younger, but because he's going to get on base AT LEAST .365, and Crisp can't.
--Lugo on base this season: .294
--333 career and full-season career high of .362.
--Alex Gonzalez (remember him?) career OBP: .295
--career full-season high: .325.
So Lugo was an obvious upgrade in OBP and speed, over Gonzalez. Edgar Renteria had a full-season career high of .394, and a career average of .349. All things being equal, the Sox would rather that Renteria had worked out in Boston. His OBP would have been a huge reason, but the dealt him while he still had some upside on the market. If the sox are going to have someone with a lower OBP that player better come with another solid skill (such as speed, or the ability to catch Wakefield).
The red sox put as much emphasis on OBP (as a reflection of plate control) as any team in baseball, especially in terms of development; Pedroia a perfect example. You couldn't find another Pedroia on the market. There are some similar hitters, but he is a non-superstar very good player.
SchillingIsTheNatural
10-13-2007, 01:06 PM
I'd keep Lowrie and let him play SS. He may not be Alex Gonzalez or Orlando Cabrera....but he may be Derek Jeter.
Jed Lowrie needs to make an impact offensively to be considered on this Red Sox team. A switch hitting middle-infielder with good contact and power skills is tough to find. IF he becomes a hitter in the mold of a Nomar, Jeter, Tejada, Renteria...whatever....he will stick around and play SS no matter what his range or arm strength is like.
Lets remember that Lowrie is still very young and the more experience he gets at SS the better he will get. Perhaps his arm and range sit idle but his instincts will improve.
RobZombie
10-14-2007, 02:49 PM
[QUOTE=SchillingIsTheNatural;296441;]I'd keep Lowrie and let him play SS. He may not be Alex Gonzalez or Orlando Cabrera....but he may be Derek Jeter.
From everything I've read, Lowrie is about an average defensive SS and many scouts believe that he can play the position in the majors. He's done this through hard work and a lot of coaching.
Lugo had a season this year that was below his career norms offensively. I'd wait, and see where the two stand next season. Come next July, if Lugo is struggling while Lowrie is tearing up the IL with his bat, and playing decent defense, they have to seriously think about putting Lowrie at SS in the majors.
AZBlue
10-16-2007, 09:45 AM
I think we sometimes devalue players who are graded as having "average" tools. Major league average for some tools is not a liability. If a shortstop is average across the board in the field and consistently makes the routine plays, the pitching staff is not going to be yearning for a replacement.
scaffolds
10-16-2007, 05:04 PM
With the graduation Jacoby Ellsbury to Boston who would be the Red Sox top CF prospect going into the 2008 minor league season? Its very close, as matter of fact as close as Che-Hauang Lin as the #14 prospect on the system and Ryan Kalish as the #16 prospect. Kalish is the more polish and better hitter for now, but Lin projects the better power, both players play top defense, but because of Lin's speed who is rated plus, plus and arm also rated plus will get the nod as the top CF in the system. There is a very strong possibility that the Greenville outfielders will be very interesting this Spring with Lin, Kalish, Carlos Fernandez and Jason Plason sharing the 3 outfield positions.
scaffolds
10-19-2007, 09:06 PM
Reid Engel who is the #22 prospect in the system is also very close to the top two CF prospect. Engel came into pro ball running a 6.4/60 yards but a rail thin 6-3 160 and a very raw bat. It took Engel two plus years to get out of short season ball. In 2007 a 6-3 190 Engel showed that he could hit for average, power projection, in addition to his speed and defense.
Bubba Bell who is the Sox's #42 prospect is the CF prospect. Bell had a outstanding year in 2007, but because he put those numbers in the California league, specially at Lancaster and the fact when promoted to Portland (AA) he struggle more than expected didn't help in his ranking, in addition the fact that he was 24 yrs in A ball. Bell is a good defensive CF but none of his physical tools are close to the top three CF prospects.
Ronald Bermudez can hit and he proved in 2007 when he led the DSL in hitting in average. Bermudez at 6-0 165 isn't a big man, but he showed some pop in his bat, Bermudez has above average speed, but his defense needs some work. If both Lin and kalish plays at Greenville like its expected Bermudez who is 19 yrs may skip the GCL and play in Lowell.
Rafael Cabreja is small, but has good quickness and showed improvement in 2007 over his rookie season in the GCL in 2006. Jay Johnson has some talent and plays a good defense, but the 24 yrs may had taken a step back in 2007 playing in AA, are the next CF prospects.
P.S. If Engel Beltre hadn't be traded at the July 31 trading dead line would had been ranked only behind Ellsbury at the end of the year and first on this list.
A player that i left out of the center field prospect mix is Matt Sheely. Sheely is a small speedy player without much punch, but he can hit for average and steal bases, besides of playing a good defense, the issue with Sheely is that the Sox top three CF prospect will be playing in A ball which means there won't be many chances for Sheely to get on the field.
scaffolds
10-20-2007, 05:17 PM
First base was the Sox's weakest position when it came to prospect a couple years ago, but going in to the 2008 season it may be strongest as it has 4 of the top 20 prospects in the system and 5 out of the top 40.
With the graduation of Jacoby Ellsbury and Clay Buchholz to Boston ther's a good chance that Lars Anderson may the Sox's top prospect going into the 2008 season. At the end of the 2007 season Anderson was the #4 prospect on the system.
Aaron Bate is the system #13 prospect in a system very short of right handed hitters specially one with power. Bate player in Lancaster for most of the 2007 season and when promoted to Portland had some problems, so it will be interesting how he handles AA in 2008.
Chris Cater is the system #17 prospect, a top hitting prospect and power hitter the main reason the Sox brass was so interested in his services. Carter issues are well know, its called Defense or the lack of it, Carter's defense its better than in outfield, but isn't better than below average. With Boston having some production issues at first base, i wouldn't be surprised if Carter makes the ML team in 2008.
Anthony Rizzo is the system #20 prospect. I made a post when the Sox signed Rizzo that I both Rizzo and Anderson play as a H.S. seniors and that Rizzo is as good as Anderson and we all saw how good Anderson is. Rizzo played less than 2 weeks in the GCL and more than likelly the Sox brass will take slowly with him and have him go back to the GCL in 08.
Mike Jones is the system #38 prospect. Jones is one of the system top power hitters potentially, but in 2007 didn't hit for the power in Lowell like he did in the GCL in 2006, however he did hit for high average and when promoted to Greenville more than hold his own.
Jon Still has been playing as a catcher (should remain as a catcher for now) in the Sox system, but because lack of defensive tools as a catcher he projects as a first baseman. Still had a very good season in 2007 while playing for Greenville/ Lancaster and should return to lancaster in 2008.
Ricardo Burgos is a player not well known by Red Sox fans, but he was the Sox's DSL ofensive player of the year in 2006. The 20 yrs Venezuelan led the Red Sox (GCL) in HR playing in a park not known for HR, Burgo did slup at the end of the year.
Eddie Lora didn't have a good first year in the system (DSL) but the 6-2 228 18 Dominican Switcher and left handed thrower has plus power (potentially) Lora was one of the hitters in DSL getting on base by the base on balls, but was also one who struck out the most.
jacksonianmarch
10-20-2007, 10:15 PM
Chris Carter will be in Boston in 08. The guy mashes everywhere he goes, all the time. You can only bury him for so long.
scaffolds
10-21-2007, 11:57 AM
Chris Carter will be in Boston in 08. The guy mashes everywhere he goes, all the time. You can only bury him for so long.
It all depends how the roster will shake up in 2008, but there's a good chance Carter will be in Boston in 2008.
scaffolds
10-21-2007, 07:20 PM
Third base got an injection of talent this Summer. Michael Almenzar is the System #8 prospect who signed this Summer for 1.5 Millions and projects as a third baseman after playing SS as a amateur. Almanzar who is 6-5 185 right handed hitter with plus/plus bats speed and power projection.
Will Middlebrook is the Sox #12 prospect. Middlebrook like Almanzar played SS as amateur, but unlike Almanzar could stay as a SS for now, but projects as a third baseman. Middlebrook baseball skills are raw, but very talented, like Almanzar has plus/plus bat speed and power projection.
Manuel Arambarris is the system #26 prospect. Arambarris doesn't have the physical tools that the top 2 third base prospect do, but what he has is that he is one of the system most pure hitter, however he hasn't hit for much power in his carreer, but is well known that power is usually the last tool to develop. the 22 yrs Venezuelan has improved his defense, but needs to stay healthy, in 2008 should play in Lancaster.
Andrew Pinkney hasn't hit the last couple of years like he did in Grennville in 2005, but enough to move up one level up each year, his glove is average, however he has a plus arm. Chad Spann is more athletic than Pinkney, but not the same arm, his glove work is average. Spann's bat had problems adjusting to AAA pitching. There isn't a question about Scott White power, but his bat has holes in it, his defense its average. White should be playing in Portland in 2008.
Jorje Jimenez hit 23 doubles in 68 games in Lowell in 2007, but only 4 HR. The 23 yrs left handed Puerto Rican will play in Greenville where we will know more about his power. Darren Blocker showed ML power after being signed as a draft and follow in 2007. Pedro Chourio didn't have a good rookie year in the DSL in 2007, but the 17 yrs Venezuelan is well liked by the scouts.
scaffolds
10-22-2007, 04:12 PM
Mark Wagner is the system #24 prospect and the top catching in the system, Wagner doesn't have a specific tool that stands out, but may be the only catching prospect where all of his tools are average to above average.
George Kottaras is the system #36 prospect. Coming into the 2007 Kottaras was the system not only top catching prospect, but a border line top #10 prospect after being traded from San Diego, but kottaras couldn't handle AAA pitching in the first of the season. Kottara's bat improved in the second half, but just to finished with a 241 Ave with 9 HR. Kottaras defense improved in 2007, but even with the improvement isn't better than average, Kottaras will return to Pawtucket in 2008.
Tyler Weedem is the system #40 prospect. Weedem may tool is his power, his defense also improved in 2007 and while he needs to make more contact he could be sharing the catching position with Jon Eagan in Greenville for 2008.
Jon Egan is the system #48. Egan like Weeden may tool is his power, but also like Weedem needs to make more contact, also like with Weedem his defense improved in 2007. In addition Egan needs to stay in the field, needs to stay away from injuries, only played in 63 Games in 2007 and will return to Greenville for 2008.
Luis Exposito may be the system top defensive catcher with a very strong arm and strong receiving package. there are questions about Exposito's bat, but because he was only able to play 9 games in 2007 because of personal reasons. In 2008 Exposito may have to take step backward and play in Lowell.
Dusty Brown and Salvador Paniagua aren't much behind Exposito as the organization top defensive catcher. Brown is quick behind the plate, a good receiver, block the balls well and has a strong arm, Brown's bat has been his weakest tool, but in 2007 while repeating AA had his best year with the bat. Paniagua is a cat like quick behind the plate, his arm may no bet as strong as it was a couple years ago before TJ surgery. Paniagua's power hasn't never been questioned, his ability to make contact has, but his 13 HR (playing partime) in 2007 almost are double of his carreer high, Paniagua also make more contact in 2007. Brown and Paniagua are both minor league free agents this off season if not placed on the 40 man roster or gets resigned, if they are back with the Red Sox for 2008 both will be back up 9injuries not counted) with Brown in Pawtucket and Paniagua.
Dervin Pinto is the top young Red Sox catching prospect with a very strong arm, but the 17 yrs Dominican isn't ready to play in the States and will return to the DSL for 2008. Not much is known of recently signed Chia-chu Chen (Taiwan) but he may play in the GCL in 2008.
scaffolds
10-23-2007, 06:47 PM
Oscar Tejeda isn't just the organization #10 prospect, but with the graduation to Boston of Jacoby Ellsbury, Clay Buchholz and perhaps Craig Hansen, could rise Tejeda to a top 5 prospect. Tejeda has a Plus Plus arm which is the best in the organization for a infielder, the rest of his tools are above average.
Argenis Diaz is the system #33 prospect. Diaz is the organization top defensive SS, but Diaz who early in his carreer had a questionable bat has improved every year, specially every year that he has played in the States and in 2007 more than hold his own in Greenville, at the time of this post Diaz is leading the Hawaai league in hitting and his stock is on the rise.
Yamaico Navarro is the system #39 ranked prospect. Isn't likely for a DSl graduate specially a position player to skip the GCL and start his US carreer not in the rookie league like Navarro did when he played for Lowell. Navarro didn't just played at Lowell but was one of its top players. In 2008 at Greenville because Tejeda also should be the SS navarro may have to play second base, but his projection remains as a SS.
Christian Lara defense is just behind Diaz, but the speedy small SS bat hasn't improved the way it was expected. In 2007 while playing at Lancaster Lara hit 9 HR wchich tripple the number of HR that he had hit as a PRO ( 3 ) was it the park? was it the league? never the less lara didn't hit for average and not only that but his speed game disappear. Where lara would play in 2008 is a ? it could be Portland or may be back in Lancaster, but if it's Lancaster he will have to play behind Diaz.
Iggy Suarez had a very good start with the bat in 2007, but it was back in A ball and in Lancaster, we have talked enough about Lancaster, so there's not reason to bring that again, when promoted to Portland Suarez struggle again with the bat, but because a strong finish Suarez ended with a decent year. Suarez glove work has never been questioned. Suarez doesn't have nothing to prove going back to Portland, but his status in Pawtucket depends in the Sox's plan for Lowrie in 2008.
Pedro Vasquez came up as a SS, a position that he played on a regular basis in 2005 in the DSL. The last two years playing in US soil Vasquez has played in different levels and positions wherever there has been a need for his services. Vasquez game is speed, but because he hasn't hit for average he hasn't been able to used. Vasquez has good range with the glove, but his glove work is inconsistent.
Joantoni Garcia comes very well regarded by the scouts, Garcia a 16 yrs Venezuelan was signed in the early phase of International players signing period and more than likely will play in the DSL in 2008.
scaffolds
10-24-2007, 06:02 PM
Jed lowrie is the organization #11 ranked prospect. Lowrie is ranked and projected as a second baseman which its also the position that Lowrie has been playing in the Arizona Fall league. Lowrie's lack of range, non soft hands and lack of strong arm has been talked before, but a switch hitting second baseman with gap power has a future in the ML and demand for it and that's what the Sox have in Lowrie.
Chih-Hsien Chiang is the organization #21 ranked prospect. Chiang has the most pretty swing in the organization. In 2007 playing in his first full scheduled season Chiang starter strong even showing the HR power that he didn't he showed in GCL, but tired at the end of the season. The 19 yrs Chiang has improved his defense, but still need some work, in 2008 should be playing in Lancaster.
Tony Granadillo is the organization #25 ranked prospect. Lancaster didn't help Granadillo Hr numbers (8) but did help his gap power as he hit 36 doubles. In 2007 Granadillo lost some weight to improve his quickness and play second base where his defensive work is above average.
Ryan Dent is the system #34 prospect. Dent is one of the top athletes in the Red Sox system, but as a baseball players his tools are still raw, while he will play SS in 2008 more than likely at Lowell he projects as a second baseman and a lead off type of hitter.
Kristopher Negron also is one of the better athletes in the Red Sox system. BA ranked Negron as the system #29 prospect in the 2007 Spring, but Negron could never get his bat going in Greenville and his stock has fallen to the point that he will return to Greenville in 2008 but will play behind Tejeda and Navarro. Negron like Dent project as a second baseman.
Jeff Natale has been called by some people in baseball a poorman Kevin Youkilis because of his high OBA and limeted power. In 2007 Natale had problems adjusting to hitting AA pitchers but still finished with a repectfull 270 ave, but his power numbers where way down 5 HR, The issues with Natale is that his bat isn't strong enough for 1B and even less for DH and his defense work as a second baseman while it has improved still remains below average. What position Natale plays in Pawtucket (2008) depends in what do the Red Sox do with Jed Lowrie.
Ryan Khoury is another player whose offensive number where helped by playing in lancaster, but by the end of the season he may had have tire out and his average slip. In 2008 Khoury may play as a SS in Portland, but because of lack of range, arm strength and inconsistents hands he projects as a second baseman.
Kenneth Roque was playing SS this Spring at the famous Puerto Rico's baseball academy before the red Sox drafted him in the 10th round. Roque had a very hard adjusting to pro ball and his defensive and offensive reflects that, however Roque is well regarded by the scouts and will return to the GCL in 2008 playing his projected position (2B)
Victor Serrano opened some eyes in 2006 while playing in the DSL to the point of earning a promotion to the GCL in 2007. In 2007 Serrano was showing the bat that he showed in the DSL until he slumped late in the season. In 2008 should be playing in Lowell.
Wilfred Pichardo is small and lacks punch with the bat but the speedy 17 yrs Dominican was among the top 5 base stealers in the DSL in 2007. Pichardo should return to the DSL because needs to make more contact at the bat and also needs to improve his defense.
scaffolds
10-27-2007, 05:24 PM
Right Field is an organization strength. Brandon Moss is the organization #6 prospect. In 2007 as a rookie in Pawtucket Moss had his best power year in his profesional carreer, with 41 doubles and 16 HR. The 16 HR ties his minor league best, but his 148 strikes out, where his highest also. Moss chances to jump to Boston to start the 2008 aren't no more than 50-50 % but a return to Pawtucket should beneft to improve his ability to make contact with the ball.
Josh Reddick is the organiztion #9 prospect. Reddick made his profesional debut in Greenville in 2007 showing a left handed bat that can hit for average or for power in addition of a power RF's arm. It will be interesting to see what kind of numbers Reddick could put up in Lancaster in 2008.
Jason Place is the organization #19 prospect. Place is one of the very few in the Red Sox who are considered potentially to be a five tool prospect, but for that to happen Place needs to make better contact at the since he strike out 160 times in Greenville in 2007, however he has been making better contact with the ball playing in the Hawaiian league this Winter. Place will return to Greenville in 2008 this time as a RF (played CF in 2007)
David Mailman is the organization #32 prospect. Mailman played mainly first base in H.S. but has played enough OF in his amateur carreer is a good athlete with a good arm to be considered a RF prospect. As a hitter has one of the better swings from players from the h.S. ranks (2007) Aline drive swing type that projects power.
Luis Sumoza is the organization #46 prospect. has been well in the baseball circles since the Sox signed him in July 2004 as a baby bonus. Sumoza has been slow developing, to the point of having repeated the GCL. In 2007 his bat may had turned around as while playing in a park (home games) where the ball doesn't travel well he hit 17 doubles in 53 games which where almost double what he had hit his first two years as a pro. The Red Sox brass should take it slow with Sumoza and play him in Lowell in 2008.
Another prospect that has been slow to develop after been a highly regarded H.S. player is Mickely Hall. Hall might had been been the hitter most affected by the Red Sox hitting philosophy. In 2007 while playing in Lancaster had his best season as a hittter, but the key question is was it Mickey Hall, the California league? or the Home park? the difference. If the answer is Hall, he should be playing in Portland in 2008.
The Sox aren't known for developing very athletic outfielders, but when they drafted and signed Kade keowen after the 07 draft that's what he is, in addition of plus-plus power a strong arm, a good defender. The only question to make Keowen a 5 tool prospect (potential) is if he can hit for average or make consistent contact because he is raw. Keowen should go back to Lowell in 2008.
jacksonianmarch
10-27-2007, 06:09 PM
Moss is exactly the kind of kid that the sox will trade. Unless he comes out with Howardian type numbers, I am not really sure they will be willing to give up a power position to him. That being said, I think he is a sleeper who could be a solid player one day.
No mention of Kalish in the CF and RF reports? He killed the ball and was all over the basepaths in Lowell prior to his hamate bone surgery. I'm excited to see what he's doing after his recovery.
scaffolds
10-27-2007, 07:34 PM
With the graduation Jacoby Ellsbury to Boston who would be the Red Sox top CF prospect going into the 2008 minor league season? Its very close, as matter of fact as close as Che-Hauang Lin as the #14 prospect on the system and Ryan Kalish as the #16 prospect. Kalish is the more polish and better hitter for now, but Lin projects the better power, both players play top defense, but because of Lin's speed who is rated plus, plus and arm also rated plus will get the nod as the top CF in the system. There is a very strong possibility that the Greenville outfielders will be very interesting this Spring with Lin, Kalish, Carlos Fernandez and Jason Plason sharing the 3 outfield positions.
One Red Seat, Ryan Kalish is the system #16 prospect and only second to Che-Hauang Lin as a CF prospect.
scaffolds
10-27-2007, 08:04 PM
Moss is exactly the kind of kid that the sox will trade. Unless he comes out with Howardian type numbers, I am not really sure they will be willing to give up a power position to him. That being said, I think he is a sleeper who could be a solid player one day.
I agree Moss is a tradeable chip, also in the right situation could be more than the fourth outfielder that he is projected.
jacksonianmarch
10-27-2007, 09:13 PM
I agree Moss is a tradeable chip, also in the right situation could be more than the fourth outfielder that he is projected.
I just think that the right situation is not Boston. In either NYY or BOS, you need to be a superior talent to be given the job of LF or RF right out of the minors. Otherwise, we can just sign someone who will be solid for a long time (see Matsui, Abreu, Justice, O'Neill and others we have had during our runs). I happen to think that the sox have a few good OF prospects who are either CFers (like Jacoby) or CFers now who project to corner OFers. But in terms of Moss, I dont think he profiles as a top tier corner OFer and likely will need to be dealt to make an impact.
scaffolds
10-27-2007, 09:54 PM
Missed it. Sorry Scaff.
Not problem at all.
I agree, Boston may not be right the situation for Moss.
scaffolds
10-29-2007, 10:57 AM
The LF Red Sox prospects talent isn's as strong or deep as CF or RF. The top LF prospect is Carlos Fernandez who is also the organization #29 ranked prospect. Fernandez made the jump the GCL to Greenville to start the 2007 season and for the first time in his pro carreer struggle after having very good seasons in the VSL in 2005 and the GCL in 2006. Fernandez swing may be second only to Chiang as the best in the organization. The 21 yrs Fernandez has been compare by baseball people to Rafael Palmero at the same age, Fernandez should be back in Greenville in 2008.
Zachary Daeges is the organization #31 ranked prospect. If Daeges would had shown that he could play third base he would had been raked higher, but to this point he hasn't. Daeges has one of shortest quick swing in the organization one who produces very good power, in 2007 playing in lancaster led the minors with 55 doubles and also hit 21 HR, in addition is patient at the plate with a very high OBP. Daeges issues are that he isn't very athletic and his arm is border line average.
Yahmed Yema had health issues in 2007 and was only able to play some games, but when healthy Yema has a nice line drive swing that produces a high average, however Yeman hasn't hit for a lot or power as a pro and his speed is average, the reason he doesn't project as a CF like he played in college, but is a good defensive outfielder.
Roberto Feliz has only olayed in the rookie level DSL, but Feliz has plus/ plus right handed power and was among the top HR hitters in the DSL in 2007. Right handed power is the tool hardest to find for scouts, but what makes Feliz unique or a stand out is that besides his power he can make consistent contact with the ball and be a 300 + hitter, the 20 yrs Dominican needs work on his defense and will be in the GCL in 2008.
Jeffrey Corsaletti, Jay Johnson and Bryan Pritz are usuable players, players that have some tools and have had decent seasons, but none of them are better than potentially be a #5 ML outfielder type, in addition all of them have something in common, one of them is being a former CF in college, but one who don't project as a cf as pro, Corsaletti has average speed, a good OBP, but has a limeted power and doesn't make enough contact Pritz can hit for average and its a good OBP player and like Corsoletti a limeted power, but only fair speed. Johnson has some power, but his power was down in 2007 at Portland, not they type of hitter that will hit for average and limeted speed.
Mitch Dening open some eyes while playing in the states for the first time. The 19 yrs Australian showed that he can hit for average, has some speed and a good arm, didn't shoed much power, but again thats usually the last tool that develops. Dening will be playing in Lowell in 2008.
David Marks was unknown in the scouting circles until the Spring of 2007. the Red Sox 20th round has very good power potentially, but is raw and will go back to Lowell in 2008.
Earlier in this post i stated that hitters with top right handed power where the hardest for a scout to find and that is what Juan Bonafacio is. While Bonifacio has plus/plus power he needs to make better contact, however the 2007 season in the DSL was his first year as a pro and a return to the DSL in 2008 should help him.
scaffolds
10-29-2007, 06:36 PM
With the graduation of Clay Buchholz and perhaps Craig Hansen to Boston, with the possibility projection of Nick Hagadone, Daniel Bard and maybe Justin Masterson to the bull pen, with the lack of sucess in 2007 of Felix Doubront, Bryce Cox and Edgar Martinez and injuries to Caleb Clay, Pedro Rodriguez and Wang-Yi Lin have affected the Sox pitching depth, specially the starting pitching depth, it will be interesting to see how the group of pitchers from the 2007 draft and the graduates from the 2007 DSL will inject talent to the system and in addition the 2008 draft is supposed to be pitching heavy.
Nick Hagadone is the system#15 prospect. The Red Sox may plan for Hagadone to be a starter once the 2008 season starts, perhaps as high as at Lancaster, but in general the scouts view and projects Hagadone as a short reliever. Hagadone started and was a reliever in college, having pitched better as a reliever than as a starter, as a reliever pitches with a fastball around 95, but as starter his fastball sits not higher than 91-92. As a reliever Hagadone may pitch in Boston in 2008.
Ryan Phillips is the system #47 prospect. Phillips has been a starter (when healthy) but made the switch to the pen at the end of the 2007 season and his future may be as a reliever where his fastball hits 91-92. Phillips who has had a lot of health issues will be at Lancaster.
Hunter Jones is the sytem #52 ranked prospect. Jones was very good in Lancaster and in Portland which led him a spot in the Arizona fall league. Jones fastball its 88-90 and should start the 2008 season in Pawtucket.
Jay Marshall was drafted by the Oakland A's from the White Sox in the rule 5 draft in the fall of 2006 despite having pitched only in A ball. The jump to the ML was a big one for the soft thrower who had put up very good numbers before being drafted. The Sox claimed Marshall from the A's shortly after the regular season ended. Marshall should be in Portland in 2008.
Arbert Jimenez is a small left hander a 6-0 160 19 yrs Dominican. Jimenez fastball was down in 2007 to 86-87 while pitching in the GCL his first year in the states, and not only his fast ball was down, but hie ERA risen to 4.30, this after being 91-92 last year in the DSL as a starter and not only as a starter his 0.99 ERA in 54 IPwas among the best in the DSL. In 2008 Jimenez should be pitching in Lowell where the real Jimenez will have show up.
Abe Alvarez, Andrew Dobies, Tommy Hottovy, Kyle Fernandes and Adam Blackley has had up and downs in their carreers, but as left handers pitchers they all have hope of one day be able to pitch at the Ml level. Alvarez might had been Theo's worst draft pick after being drafted early in the second round in 2003, a pitch ability type of pitcher whose command hasn't been what was expected the last couple of years. In 2007 Alvarez begin making the move to the pen after being a starter all along, Alvarez fastball sits in the 84-85 range. Dobies another early round (3th round pick in 2004) and the hardest thrower out of this group where his fastball may hit 90, started making the switch to the pen in the middle of 2007 season with mix results and should return to Portland's pen in 2008. Hottovy is the only out of who has been strickly a starter as a pro, but was a reliever in college and while he may be again a starter in 2008 he projects as a reliever at the ML level. Hottovy's fastball is only a tick harder than Alvarez and also should return to portland in 2008. Fernandes has been a reliever only the last two years, however in 2007 didn't pitched as well as he did in 2006 while pitching in both Greenville and Lancaster. Fernandes fastball is around 87-88 and should go back to Lancaster in 2008. The 22 yrs Australian Blackley had his issues in Greenville, but was effective in Lowell with a 86-88 fastball and should be in back in Greenville in 2008.
Armando Zerpa and Manuel Rivera are two young Latin relievers with a lot of promise. Zerpa a 20 yrs Venezuelan withan 91-92 fastball was very good in the GCL his first year playing in the states and could play in Greenville in 2008, but more likely in Lowell. Rivera a 18 yrs Dominican was outstanding as a joint closer in the DSL in his first year as a pro, however scouts feel that Rivera who has a low 90's fastball may project better as a starter, Rivera may play in the GCL in 2008, but most likely go back to the DSL.
jacksonianmarch
10-29-2007, 09:51 PM
SP depth in the sox org is low, but with Beckett, DiceK, Buchholz, and Lester, they already have 4 spots taken up with guys who will be there for a long time. If they had to skimp somewhere, SP is it.
scaffolds
10-30-2007, 09:54 AM
SP depth in the sox org is low, but with Beckett, DiceK, Buchholz, and Lester, they already have 4 spots taken up with guys who will be there for a long time. If they had to skimp somewhere, SP is it.
Prospect pitching depth in an organization is very important, even if there not an immediate need for it at the ML level, because prepares an organization in case of injuries and in trades for other needs.
scaffolds
10-30-2007, 06:27 PM
Kris Johnson is the system #18 prospect and the #1 LH starter. Johnson's fastball in college top out at 93, however that wasn't the case last year in Lancaster, his first playing in a full scheduled season which led to questions if he was all the way back from TJ surgery in 2005. While he had his ups and downs in Lancaster he was able to finish stronger than when he started. One of Johnson's issues in Lancaster was bases on balls as he had 57 in 136 IP. In 2008 johnsosn could start in Portland.
Dustin Richardson is the system #28 prospect. Richardson was a reliever in Lowell in 2006 after being drafted in 5th round and a starter in Greenville/ Lancaster last year, scouts view are different depending who you may ask some see him as a reliever others see him as a starter, for now Richardson will be a starter with a 90-91 fastball and a developing breaking pitches. Richardson pitched very well in Greenville? lancaster last year, but if he is going to remain as a starter he is going to have to keep his pitch count lower so that he can pitch more innings than the 5 IP average last year. Richardson should return to Lancaster in 2008.
Jose Alvarez was ranked 45th at the end of the year, but he may have pass by Jose Capellan for the third starting left handed in the system. Alvarez is small 5-11 160, but the 18 yrs Venezuelan has a low 90 fastball, In 2007playing in the GCL Alvarez opened some eyes and finished with a 1.84 ERA in 49 IP, this after having a 1.61 ERA in 61 IP in 2006 while playing in the DSL, however despite having a 202 batting average against in 2007 his K's number where a bit down. Alvarez should pitch in Lowell in 2008.
Jose Capellan was ranked as the system #37 prospect at the end of the year. Capellan was passed by Alvarez for a couple of reasons, one his fastball tops out at 90, but perhaps more important he needs to watch is weight carefully, Capellan weight has been as high as 220-225 in his 6-2 frame. Capellan's main pitch is his curve ball. The 21 yrs Dominican pitches from a low 3/4 release point and should be one of the starters at Greenville in 2008.
Felix Doubront is the # 50 ranked player is the system. Doubront was ranked by BA as the Sox's #18 best prospect in its pre-season ranking, that was shortly before Doubront had a Hernia surgery in Venezuela which made him miss the first month of the Greenville season, when he starting pitching for Greenville Doubront wasn't not even a shadow of the pitcher who lead the Red Sox to the championship of the GCL in 2006 or the pitcher of the year in the 2005 VSL, after a demotion to Lowell where he wasn't any better, but the last month of the lowell Doubront pitched a lot better and finished the season strong. In my opinion Doubront was never right from the hernia operation to the elbow issues that he in Greenville, a healthy Doubront will be back pitching in Greenville in 2008.
John Britton was ranked a lot lower mainly because was very inconsistent with his pitches, specially with his fastball where his velocity was up and down while pitching in H.S. in Texas this Spring and early Summer, after being drafted by the Red Sox Britton pitched for Summer league team where he called the attention of scouts again to the point of being signed for $700,000 bonus. In the Florida instructional league this fall Britton showed a consistent fastball in the 92 range with very good command and a very good 75 CB, Britton should be pitching in the GCL in 2008.
Cesar Cabral is a 6-3 180 18 yrs Dominican who had a very good season while pitching in the DSL in 2007. Cabral who fastball sits at 90 need to get stronger and should make his US debut in the GCL in 2008.
Michael Rozier who was signed to a million plus contract in 2007 has been disappoitment, specially the last two years, in 2007 while pitching in Lancaster his ERA was close to 8.00 allowing 160 H (20 HR) in 107 IP. There's question about Rozier conditioning which may has led to the drop in velocity of his fastball (87)and lack of command as gave 50 base on balls again in 107 IP. Rozier may go back to Lancaster in 2008, but his destination will be dictated in Spring training.
Israel Perez was the most herald player (only behind Michael Almanzar) signed by the Red Sox in the recently finished 2007 early international player signing period. The 16 yrs Dominican was throwing a high 80 fastball last year as a 15 yrs. Perez more than likely will pitchin the DSL in 2008.
scaffolds
10-31-2007, 02:16 PM
Craig Hansen is the organization #7 ranked prospect and the #1 Right handed reliever. Hansen issues are well known, but the kind of arm he has scouts and organizations don't forgette or ignore. Hansen pitched a lot better at the end of the Pawtucket and in the Arizona fall league until the Red Sox brass shut him down recently. The Boston pen is going to have a couple openings for 2008 and Hansen will fill one of them.
Danny Bard is the organization #30 ranked prospect. If Bard remains as a reliever like he has in the Hawaii Winter baseball league he has pass by Bryce Cox as the organization #2 right handed reliever. Bard power stuff including his 95-98 fastball in addition to his breaking pitches is made for short relieve work. Bard has been outstanding in the hawaii league and should be in Lancaster in 2008.
Bryce Cox is the organization #27 ranked prospect.Cox issues like the two pitchers above are well known while pitching in Portland and even in Greenville in 2007. Cox problems wheren't his stuff but the command of his pitches, his low 90's to mid 90 fastball and his slidder are ML pitches, but Cox would need to work in his command and mechanics in Spring training because the organization has shut down him. Cox could start the 2008 season in Lancaster.
Felix Ventura is the organization # 35 ranked prospect. Ventura is listed by the Red Sox as 5'11" but in reality he isn't any taller than 5' 9" and because of his height and arm he has been compared by scouts to Tom Gordon at the same stage, Ventura has a fastball in the 93 area but lacks Gordon's curve ball as his breaking pitches are a work in progress, the 23 yrs Dominican wasn't signed by the Red Sox until he was 21 yrs, very rare for Dominicans, specially for someone with talent like Ventura, but his size didn't interested the scouts. In 2007 Ventura was an All Star while pitching in Lowell and should be Greenville's closer in 2008.
Edgar Martinez is the system #44 ranked prospect. The former catcher took a couple steps back in 2007 in Pawtucket and the issue with Martinez are lack of conditioning his fastball was down in 2007 (91-92 down from 93-94) and his breaking pitches hasn't developed like expected. Martinez is pitching in the Venezuelan Winter league and if taken off the 40 man roster this Fall will be a minor league free agent, which means he may not be with the Red Sox in 2008, if he is he will pitch in Pawtucket again in 2008.
Kyle Jackson is the system #49 ranked prospect, Jackson like Martinez took a couple steps backward in 2007, as he had command issues whie returning to Portland and getting hit more frequent than before, Jackson also like Martinez will be a minor league free agent if taken off the 40 man roster this Fall. If Jackson is in the Red Sox will go back to Portland in 2008.
At the end of 2004 Willy Mota's first year playing in the States (GCL) was ranked by BA as the Red Sox 30th best player as a CF and the Sox outfielder with the best arm, The next two years (2005-2006) where almost waisted as Mota had different quind of health issues and only played in 45 games both years combined. In the fall of 2006 the Sox switched Mota to the mound, after pitching in extend Spring training in 2007 Mota opened the season in Lowell showing a mid 90's fastball and little else, while he had some struggles in the begining and after some hard with Lowell pitching coach Laz Gutierrez Mota was a different pitcher and one of the better relievers in the league by the end of the season, one with a usuable breaking pitch. The 22 yrs Dominican isn't a finished product but one with a lots of potential and should open the 2008 season in Lowell.
Richard Lentz had TJ surgery in 2005 while playing college ball and came back to pitch in college a few weeks before the 2006 draft, while he may not had been fully back the Red Sox drafted him in the 19th round and signed him late in the Summer. Lentz pitched the whole season at Greenville in 2007 (first as pro) showing his mid 90's fastball and while his breaking pitches are a bit behind his fastball he pitched very well in Low A ball until the season where he may had tired out. Lentz may had tire out at the end of the season, but his main issue in 2007 was bases on ball as he issued 42 BB in 49 IP. The bases on ball is some thing that Lentz needs to work on if he's going to have any sucess in 2008 pitching in Lancaster.
Jorge Rodriguez has a fastball in the 93-94 range, but in Greenville in 2007 got hit more often than someone of his kind of stuff should, the reason is that his fastball lacks command and his breaking aren't developed as his fastball, if they develop Rodriguez could project as a starting pitcher. Rodriguez a 22 yrs Colombian has developed physically to a now 205 pounder after being signed by the Red Sox in 2003 as a 147 pounder, Rodriguez should go back to Greenville in 2008.
Kevin Guyett, Michael James, Chad Rhodes and Beau Vaughan have some tools, but there are questions if they enough of them for one day to pitch in the ML. Guyett was a starting pitcher in the Red sox system for his first two season in 2007 was switched to the pen and held his own at Lancaster. Guyett who has a low 90 fastball may have tired towards the end of the season and will pitch in Portland in 2008. James who was Portland closer in 2007 and has a fastball that touches 93, but its fairly straight and his breaking are average the 26 yrs James will pitch in Pawtucket in 2008. Rhodes is only 5-10, but has a mid 95 fastball, however the rest of his pitches are behind his fastball, Rhodes was lancaster's closer in 2007 and pitching in a tough park and league to pitch, he hold his own, in 2008 Rhodes should be pitching in Portland. Vaughan was a starting pitcher in the Sox system his first three years after being signed in the third round of the 2003 draft. The 26 yrs Vaughan has pitched better as a reliever than a starter and in 2007 in Portland had a good season, but his fastball has been inconsistent having being as high as 93 and as low as 87, in 2008 will pitch in Pawtucket.
Chris Province, Eammon Portice, Emilis Guerrero and Mauricio Mendez are right handed reliever with some promise. Province was the Sox fourth round draft pick this June and his fastball touches 97, but because his breaking pitches aren't as good as his fastball he doesn't get as many strikes out as you might expect out of him, Province should pitch in Greenville in 2008. Portice the Sox's 12 Rd pick in 2007 was a starting pitcher in college who projects as a reliever in the pros, Portice who has a fastball around 92 also should be pitching in Greenville in 2008. Guerrero has pitched as a starter and reliever in the Sox system, but the 21 yrs Dominican who's fastball is in the 92 area projects as a reliever. Mendez is a 6-6 200 Dominican who throw from a high 3/4 arm slott and was a starter pitcher his first tow years in the Sox system and has been a reliever the last two years, Mendez who is 22 yrs and Guerrero more than likely will be pitching in Lowell.
Dennis Neuman is first player from Curacao that the Red Sox have signed in the last ten years. Neuman a 5-11 185 18 yrs was the Co Joint closer in the Sox entry in the DSL and was very good on that role in 2007, but the Sox brass may want to see more of him before they bring him to the GCL.
jacksonianmarch
10-31-2007, 04:50 PM
Hansen is having surgery for sleep apnea. That is an interesting choice as a palatouvuloplasty is typically not terribly effective, but its worth a shot I guess.
rician blast
11-01-2007, 03:28 PM
Hansen is having surgery for sleep apnea. That is an interesting choice as a palatouvuloplasty is typically not terribly effective, but its worth a shot I guess.
Hmmm....I guess this means he doesn't only gag while on MLB mounds, huh?.
scaffolds
11-02-2007, 09:24 PM
Starting Right handed pitching is where the Sox expects the most depth from both the 2007 draft and 2007 DSL graduates.
Michael Bowden is the organization #3 prospect and the #1 Right Handed starting pitching (with the graduation of Clay Buchholz to Boston) Bowden was excellent while pitchen in Lancaster and the California league with a 92-94 fastball and above average CB, after his promotion to Portland had his ups and downs, but in general hold his own in AA specially considering his age and will return to Portland in 2008.
Justin Masterson is the organization #5 ranked prospect. Since his college days the scouts have been split if Masterson projects as a starting pitcher or a reliever. the Red Sox believe that he could be a starter and his sinker ball (91-92 fast ball) is the best on the system. Masterson pitched very well in Lancaster in 2007, but not as well as Bowden, but started like a house in fire after his promotion to Portland until he may have tired out at the end of the season, Masterson should return to Portland in 2008.
Miguel Socolovitch is the organization #23 ranked prospect. After having TJ surgery in 2005 Socolovitch and having pitched in 2006 on a limeted basis (GCL) opened the 2007 in the bullpen at Greenville where he struggle before he got demoted to Lowell. In Lowell as a starting pitcher where he showed the potential that he was known for. Socolovitch who's fastball is 93-94 as a satrting pitcher also has a good breaking pitch, but needs to get stronger and throw more strikes and will return to Greenville in 2008.
Brock Huntzinger was unkown coming into the 2007 season pitching out of a H.S. in Indiana, where because of the weather didn't started playing well into the Spring season and just before the 2007 draft the 6-3 200 Huntzinger was showing a steady 92 fastball and very projectable off speed pitches. the Red Sox who drafted Huntzinger in the third round didn't pitched him much in the GCL and send Huntzinger to the instructional league where he opened eyes when hs fastball jumped to a steady 95. In 2008 Huntzinger should be in Extended Spring training before pitching in the GCL or Lowell.
Stolmy Pimentel was the ACE of the Sox's DSL entry as a 17 yrs, The 6-3 186 Dominican has a low 90's fastball and his breaking pitches are developing, in 2008 should be one of the starters for the GCL.
Jordan Craft like Masterson the scouts don't seem to make their mind if he is a starting pitcher or a reliever. The Red Sox believe that he is a starter where his fastball is around 92 where as a reliever touches 95. In 2007 in Greenville as a starter Craft struggle before being demoted to Lowell where he shoed his potential and should send him to Greenville in 2008.
Devern Hansack, David Pauley, Chris Smith, Matt Goodson and Chris Jones may help the Sox to fill a temporary opening or a emergency one but don't have the talent or ceilings as the pitcher posted above. Hansack should be first call if there is a emergency in Boston and has the best stuff out of this group with a fastball 91-92, in addition Hansack could help as a starter or reliever, Hansack should return to Pawtucket to start the 2008 season. Pauley like Hansack have startered games in ML, but with an fastball that tops out at 90 and average breaking pitches his stuff may be short, Pauley should return to Pawtucked for 2008. Smith has the least amount of talent (stuff) among this group where his fastball is 85-86 and the rest of his pitches are OK, Smith could join Hansack and Pauley in Pawtucket in 2008. Goodson and Jones stuff is similar to Pauley. Jones fastball in college was in the 92 range, but injuries have taken away from it, Jones should be in Lancaster and Goodson in Portland for 2008.
Austin Bailey, Randy Consuegra, Yeiper Castillo, Thomas Pressley and Hunter Strickland are young talented right handers who could make a move in 2008. Consuegra is the best of this group as the 18 yrs Colombian was very good in the DSL in 2007 showing a 92 fastball. Bailey a former third baseman was among the top RHP from the H.S. ranks going in to the 2007 season, Bailey who has a low 90 fastball is physically developed, while Bailey is physically developed Castillo at 6-3 160 isn't, but like Bailey throw in the low 90's and the 19 yrs Venezuelan is expected to throw harder as he matures, Castillo had a very good season in 2007 while pitching in the DSL. Pressley and Strickland have very good arms with a fastball above 90, Pressley didn't pitch in the GCL after signed, but Strickland did and had some struggles, all of them should be pitching in the GCL in 2008.
Pedro Perez, Jimmy James, Adan Mills, Charles New, Ryan Colvin and Joseph Guerra are right handers with some talents and with some questions. Perez is a 19 yrs Domincan who at 6-4 170 isn't fully developed so which his sinker which at the present is at 91 may throw harder in the future. Perez was the Sox best starting pitcher in the GCL in 2007 and has a very good command, but doesn't strike out as many as he should will be in lowell in 2008. Mills was one of the better starting pitches in the country in 2007, but because his fastball tops out at 90 wasn't drafted until the 8th round. Mills didn't pitch much in 2007 after he was signed, but should be one of Greenville's starter in 2008. James didn't pitch much in 2005 and missed all of 2006 after shoulder surgery. The 23 yrs Venezuelan returned to pitching in Lowell in 2007 earning a promotion to Greenville after 4 games and its pitching in Hawaiin league this fall. James whose fastball tops out at 93 may pit in Lancaster in 2008. Charles New was signed as a draft and follow after being drafted in the 27th round in 2006. New who's fast ball touches 94 but is inconsistent and didn't pitch much after he signed will pitch in Greenville in 2008. Colvin is a draft and follow from the 2005 draft who was signed before to 2006 draft. Colvin if fairly new to pitching and its very raw, his fastball touches 92, but is inconsistent, Covin should pitin Lowell in 2008. Guerra is a pitch ability right hander with a fastball in the 89-90 range, Guerra's main ability is to throw strikes.
Caleb Clay, Pedro Rodriguez, Anthony Alvarado, Anataner Batista, Leandro Marin and Wang-Yi Lin are the health for 2008. Clay had TJ surgery after starting 5 games in Lowell isn't likely that his will pitch in 2008, the same for Lin who had TJ shortly before and even Rodriguez a 20 yrs Venezuelan who had his TJ surgery in Extended Spring training. Batista an 18 yrs Dominican was having an outstanding season in the DSL when he went down for the year. Alvarado a 6-1 175 17 yrs Venezuelan who came to Spring training as a highly regarded prospect 16 yrs without having pitched in the DSL. Alvarado and Batista status for 2008 aren't clear, but one who is is Marin a 19 yrs Venezuelan who had TJ in 2006 and came back at the end of the 2007 DSL (pitched in three games) and was impressive in the instructional league, Marin should pitch in the GCL in 2008.
Charlie Rosario put good numbers in the DSL his first year as a pro, but it looks like the the 19 yrs Dominican will return to the DSL in 2008. A new name that the scouts are talking about is 16 yrs Dominican Roman Mendez. Mendez will pitch in the DSL in 2008.
jacksonianmarch
11-03-2007, 08:07 AM
which guys from the 07 draft are they relying on to be good right handed pitching prospects? They lost one that they couldnt sign and the rest look to either be long range HS kids or short arsenal college kids most suited for relief duty.
scaffolds
11-03-2007, 08:31 AM
which guys from the 07 draft are they relying on to be good right handed pitching prospects? They lost one that they couldnt sign and the rest look to either be long range HS kids or short arsenal college kids most suited for relief duty.
Brock Huntzinger and Austin Bailey have very good potential, there are scouts that like Thomas Pressley and Hunter Strickland, in addition the jury is out on Adam Mills. I will talk more about it in the RHP thread.
RobZombie
11-03-2007, 10:22 AM
"With Boston having some production issues at first base, i wouldn't be surprised if Carter makes the ML team in 2008."
Its quotes like this that lead people to believe that you aren't really who you claim to be and that you don't work in baseball. The Red Sox DO NOT have production issues at 1st base. Chris Carter IS NOT going to replace Kevin Youkilis at 1B.
Carter's main problem is that though he can hit, he's basically a DH.
riverside sluggers
11-03-2007, 10:37 AM
He wont replace Youkilis, but he has a good shot at any to take over as the new backup
RobZombie
11-03-2007, 05:47 PM
He wont replace Youkilis, but he has a good shot at any to take over as the new backup
The problem with that is that for any guy going to be a bench player and spell Youkilis from time to time, he's got to be able to play defense. From everything that I've read, Carter is an awful defensive 1B.
Carter is basically a poor man's Jack Cust. So bad defensively that you really can't play him anywhere but DH and not a good enough hitter to make you overlook this problem.
I think they will put him in AAA and try to work on his defense so that it is at least acceptable.
scaffolds
11-03-2007, 06:59 PM
In conclusion all of this posts shows how important scouting and player development is the future of an organization.
RobZombie
11-04-2007, 11:21 AM
In conclusion all of this posts shows how important scouting and player development is the future of an organization.
Making an obvious statement doesn't make you smart. Its like telling me that rich people
have a lot of money as if you have found a great social equalizer. Its no better than making a statement that is obviously wrong, like saying that the Sox have "production problems" at 1st base when they do not.
jacksonianmarch
11-04-2007, 02:16 PM
Well, it all depends on how you can spin it. Youkilis pre AS break was an elite 1b in the AL. He had a .921OPS and was hitting .320+. But he faded down the stretch to the tune of a .230BA and a .720OPS. He also had a few wear and tear injuries that limited his effectiveness. If it wasnt for a total renaissance in the playoffs, people would be clamoring for an upgrade. It isnt wrong on scaffolds part to think you can upgrade production wise over a non-power 1b. On the flip side, Youkilis is a walk machine who is probably the best fielding 1b in the AL and has the versatility to be used as a 3b if need be. If you want to nitpick, you can, but Youkilis is a solid 1b, the kind that make championship teams run. You dont get rid of that.
My insistence on Carter, though, is more of a wear and tear issue. Lets assume Lowell resigns. You have Big Papi at DH who has worn down this yr. He is in his early 30s, is easily 260-270lbs and plays every day. That last part need to change. Instead of Papi playing 150 games (which he has averaged over the past 3 yrs), maybe they should focus on him getting 135 or so to limit wear and tear. So that is 27 games right there.
Lowell will be 34 at the beginning of next season, and has proven durable. But, once again, wear and tear will be an issue. Instead of 150+ like he always plays, maybe 135-140. Theres another 22 games right there.
Then Youkilis. He's still young, but also showed that he wears down as the season goes on (check his last 3 yr stats, he has a .240BA post AS). More rest for him means fresher legs.
All of that combined could get Carter into the lineup 60-80 times next yr which should be enough to show what he can do.
Papi out? Carter DH
Youk out? Carter 1b
Lowell out? Youk to 3rd, Carter to 1st.
And if he sucks, then no harm, no foul. If he doesnt? Then you add another lefty power bat with solid discipline to your mix.
riverside sluggers
11-04-2007, 02:44 PM
My insistence on Carter, though, is more of a wear and tear issue. Lets assume Lowell resigns. You have Big Papi at DH who has worn down this yr. He is in his early 30s, is easily 260-270lbs and plays every day. That last part need to change. Instead of Papi playing 150 games (which he has averaged over the past 3 yrs), maybe they should focus on him getting 135 or so to limit wear and tear. So that is 27 games right there.
Papi had a down year because he was dealing with a torn up knee the whole season. On Tuesday he will have surgery and begin a rehabbing process. He's bound to have at least 40 HRs next year
jacksonianmarch
11-04-2007, 03:26 PM
I didnt mean wearing down in terms of numbers. I meant wearing down in terms of health.
example1
11-04-2007, 05:30 PM
Papi had a down year because he was dealing with a torn up knee the whole season. On Tuesday he will have surgery and begin a rehabbing process. He's bound to have at least 40 HRs next year
I didnt mean wearing down in terms of numbers. I meant wearing down in terms of health.
Hey fellas, Papi had career highs in OPS +, AVG, OBP and had his second highest SLG of his career (.621 vs. .636 last year). He also scored the second most runs he's scored (116 vs. 119 in 2005). He had the most hits in his career, and 5 more doubles than his previous best of 2004, 12 more doubles than he had in 05 and 23 more than he had in 06. The last 6 seasons his OBP has gone .324, .339, .369, .380, .397, .413, .445!! He also had 3 SBs compared to a previous career high of 1 ( :thumbsup: ).
Oh yeah, second most walks of his career. As far as I can see, Ortiz had career bests or near career bests in R, H, 2B, SB, BB, BA, OBP, SLG, OPS, OPS+. In fact, 2007 was the most Batting Runs Above Average (BRAA) of his career, with 60, compared to previous highs of 53. He hurt the team less by making fewer outs, and that ended up being more valuable than the fewer home runs (some of which were simply replaced with doubles).
All of this while hurt. All of this while getting fewer ABs than he had in 04, 05 and 06. Give the guy a break. If deterioration means that physically he's only able to have the 4th best VORP in the league behind A-Rod, Hanley and Magglio, I'll take it and not complain.
riverside sluggers
11-04-2007, 05:38 PM
I wasnt complaining
example1
11-04-2007, 05:43 PM
I wasnt complaining
Yes, I can see that. What I meant to write to you is that he may not get back to 40 HR but that really shouldn't be an indication of how effective he is. The difference between 35 HR and 40 isn't that big for a guy who can fluctuate between 50 and 30 based on how he's being pitched to and the protection around him. That SLG and OBP though. Jesus!! Impressive.
jacksonianmarch
11-04-2007, 06:46 PM
Hey fellas, Papi had career highs in OPS +, AVG, OBP and had his second highest SLG of his career (.621 vs. .636 last year). He also scored the second most runs he's scored (116 vs. 119 in 2005). He had the most hits in his career, and 5 more doubles than his previous best of 2004, 12 more doubles than he had in 05 and 23 more than he had in 06. The last 6 seasons his OBP has gone .324, .339, .369, .380, .397, .413, .445!! He also had 3 SBs compared to a previous career high of 1 ( :thumbsup: ).
Oh yeah, second most walks of his career. As far as I can see, Ortiz had career bests or near career bests in R, H, 2B, SB, BB, BA, OBP, SLG, OPS, OPS+. In fact, 2007 was the most Batting Runs Above Average (BRAA) of his career, with 60, compared to previous highs of 53. He hurt the team less by making fewer outs, and that ended up being more valuable than the fewer home runs (some of which were simply replaced with doubles).
All of this while hurt. All of this while getting fewer ABs than he had in 04, 05 and 06. Give the guy a break. If deterioration means that physically he's only able to have the 4th best VORP in the league behind A-Rod, Hanley and Magglio, I'll take it and not complain.
It was pretty amazing what he did while hurt. I am not questioning his ability when he is on the field. I am saying that his history plus his body type means he may not be on the field as frequently. Hence, some rest may increase his ability to get on the field when you need him the most.
Anuj09
11-07-2007, 10:42 PM
Does Lowrie have a shot of being 08's Ellsbury ?
KeepTheFaith1229
11-08-2007, 12:54 AM
Does Lowrie have a shot of being 08's Ellsbury ?
Probably not unless Lugo gets hurt.
jacksonianmarch
11-08-2007, 06:24 AM
Lowrie doesnt grade out as a MLB SS. He could fill in in a pinch, but I highly doubt the sox have him pegged as their future SS. My guess is that the sox are putting out feelers on him and to a lesser extent, Pedroia. If they could land Miguel Cabrera with a package centered around Pedroia, then you might be seeing Lowrie start the yr as the sox 2b. But I dont see the sox going that route after seeing how vital that kid was to the team.
scaffolds
11-08-2007, 12:23 PM
Lowrie's bat isn't ready for the ML and the Arizona Fall league is proving that.
TheKilo
11-08-2007, 12:24 PM
Lowrie doesnt grade out as a MLB SS. He could fill in in a pinch, but I highly doubt the sox have him pegged as their future SS. My guess is that the sox are putting out feelers on him and to a lesser extent, Pedroia. If they could land Miguel Cabrera with a package centered around Pedroia, then you might be seeing Lowrie start the yr as the sox 2b. But I dont see the sox going that route after seeing how vital that kid was to the team.
What?
ksushi
11-08-2007, 01:32 PM
Lowrie's bat isn't ready for the ML and the Arizona Fall league is proving that.
Lowrie is mostly working on his defense in the fall league. Most people I've talked to are giving him a pass on his hitting because hes working at 3rd base and 2nd base in addition to trying to prove his worth at SS so he can be considered as a utility prospect at ST.
scaffolds
11-08-2007, 04:33 PM
Lowrie is mostly working on his defense in the fall league. Most people I've talked to are giving him a pass on his hitting because hes working at 3rd base and 2nd base in addition to trying to prove his worth at SS so he can be considered as a utility prospect at ST.
Lowrie had a good season in Portland and he stayed on his game on his promotion to Portland, however after the second round threw the International league he was pitched differently and his bat cool off. Lowrie's bat has never been a sure thing, not even after his season in 2007, he went to the Arizona fall league to work on his hitting as much as on his defensive work and like I like posted before his bat isn't ready for the ML. Organizations don't like young players to be the utility type and sitting on a ML bench, Lowrie will be back to Pawtucket (if not traded this Winter) playing everyday. In case of an injury at the ML level that's why Cora its there for and Boston more than likely will have a veteran infielder in Pawtucket to help out.
RobZombie
11-09-2007, 09:17 PM
Lowrie had a good season in Portland and he stayed on his game on his promotion to Portland, however after the second round threw the International league he was pitched differently and his bat cool off. Lowrie's bat has never been a sure thing, not even after his season in 2007, he went to the Arizona fall league to work on his hitting as much as on his defensive work and like I like posted before his bat isn't ready for the ML. Organizations don't like young players to be the utility type and sitting on a ML bench, Lowrie will be back to Pawtucket (if not traded this Winter) playing everyday. In case of an injury at the ML level that's why Cora its there for and Boston more than likely will have a veteran infielder in Pawtucket to help out.
Scaffolds has never been shy about his dislike for certain players and the dislike never changes even if they have long-term success in the majors (Youkilis).
First off, the AZFL is a very short season where players maybe working on certain things. In Lowries case, those that have seen him came away convinced that he can play SS in the majors while he couldn't before. I wouldn't put too much stock into the numbers because they are over a very short period of time.
Lowrie, will liklely start the year in Pawtuckett. If he plays well, and Lugo continues to struggle, Lugo's job is in jeopardy much like Coco Crisp's was. Hopefully, Lugo has a bounce back season to respectable offensive numbers, and Lowrie continues to play in the IL like he played in the EL. In which case, we are talking about Lowrie as the SS in 08, and Lugo playing the final two years of his deal somewhere else, and the Sox eating some of that.
Scaffolds just doesn't like Jed Lowrie and that won't change even if Lowrie proves himself to be a good major league player.
jacksonianmarch
11-09-2007, 11:02 PM
either that or you are an apologist for Lowrie. But lets not consider that you could be wrong.
TheKilo
11-10-2007, 12:53 AM
either that or you are an apologist for Lowrie. But lets not consider that you could be wrong.
You are in NO POSITION to call someone else an apologist.
scaffolds
11-17-2007, 11:16 AM
I have been asked by Email to compare Anthony Rizzo (Sox's 6th round pick) and David Mailman (Sox's 7th round pick) from the 2007 draft.
To start with both Rizzo and Mailman are outstanding prospects, both where mainly a first baseman in High school and are left handed hitters and throwers. I have talked about Rizzo in different occasions, Rizzo who just turned 18 yrs projects more power (to all fields) than Mailman, but power isn't just Rizzo's game he would hit for average and its an above average defender as a first baseman. Mailman who turned 19 yrs last month its a better athlete than Rizzo and because of it could play RF as a pro, his arm its also above average, as a hitter Mailman has outstanding mechanics in his swing and its whats called a pure hitter.
rician blast
11-18-2007, 10:41 PM
Good analysis, Scaff, but I've heard that Mailman tends to deliver more.
scaffolds
11-19-2007, 12:47 PM
Good analysis, Scaff, but I've heard that Mailman tends to deliver more.
LOL, only the mail.
scaffolds
12-16-2007, 10:18 AM
Ignacio "Iggy" Suarez was drafted by the Red Sox in the 24th round in 2003, at the time speculation was that he was Puerto Rican or Mexican descent, perhaps Dominican, well actually Suarez is Colombian born and came to the States when he was 19 yrs, his father was a well known pitcher in the Colombian leagues. Iggy as known by the minor league fans is also known for his glove work should go back to Portland to start the 2008 season.
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