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Originally Posted by Nick
I imagine the fact that JBJ couldn’t hit water if he fell out of a boat back then also figured into it. It was also about that time the Sox moved Betts to the outfield, originally in center. So was it about “not losing out”? Or about finding a CF? Or maybe both?
Sox wasted 72 million on Rusney Castillo when, for a few million less the year before, they could have signed Jose Abreu. A big mistake by Ben Cherrington and staff.
And 1b has been kind of a shitshow for the Sox ever since trading AGon. Having Abreu there would have solved a big hole for the org.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tedballgame
It's all water under the Tobin. This organization has made its share of mistakes, but 4 rings really takes the sting out of it...
I agree with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bellhorn04
Yep....Sox 4 Yankees 1Quote:
Originally Posted by Bellhorn04
Only 1 of those since the Castillo blunder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bellhorn04
That's Fellowship of the Miserable stuff, though LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by mvp 78
Curse of the Castillo, the Rusney's Paw if you will...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bellhorn04
Maybe since Napoli (2013 version, which was better than the 2012 version of AGon). Also, HRam did well in 2016, and 2018 with Moreland & Pearce was good. I guess we don't count 2020.Quote:
Originally Posted by mvp 78
Red Sox 1B production since 2011:
2011 .329 28 118 (.944 OPS/136 OPS+) AGon
2012 .289 22 96 (.795/104) AGon (Loney)
2013 .262 26 106 (.841/117) Napoli (Carp)
2014 .222 16 65 (.692/85) Napoli (Craig/Carp)
2015 .226 29 82 (.727/84) Napoli/Shaw
2016 .269 29 112 (.807/104) HRam (Shaw)
2017 .240 25 80 (.749/80) Moreland (HRam/Shaw)
2018 .267 23 109 (.794/106) Moreland/Pearce (HRam)
2019 .244 29 99 (.745/86) Moreland/Chavis (Pearce/Travis)
2020 .280 18 44 (.942/137) Dalbec/Chavis/Moreland
2021 .239 30 97 (.777/90) Dalbec (Marwin/Schwarber/Santana)
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Originally Posted by moonslav59
2011 3rd
2012 20th
2013 7th
2014 25th
2015 22nd
2016 15th
2017 25th
2018 14th
2019 26th
2020 8th
2021 20th
1b has been so much of a shitshow that you have to defend 2016 and 2018 as plus years when they were clearly middle of the road. Aside from Napoli being in beast mode at the start of 2013 and Dalbec being a human volcano at the end of 2020, there hasn't been much to talk about positively for an important offensive cog.
I did not "defend" 2016 or 2018. You assume a lot, as always.Quote:
Originally Posted by mvp 78
Yes, AGon in 2011 was awesome, and we haven't had a full season like that since. I'm not disagreeing with you.
The numbers did point out AGon's 2012 version was close to the same or even worse than some who came after, including Napoli in 2013 only, HRam in 2016 only, and Moreland in 2018 only. I specifically said I guess Dalbec's 2020 does not count.
Yes, their seasons were pretty much "middle of the road," except for maybe Napoli's 2013 season, but so was AGon's last season with the Sox. When you say "since AGon" that should count 2012, too.
When combining all seasons with the Sox, AGon beats out napoli, HRam and Moreland, so in that sense, he was clearly the best we've had in a decade. It's not even close:
wRC+ since 2011:
138 AGon
116 Napoli
115 Dalbec
108 Moreland
103 HRam (some in LF)
99 Shaw
80 Chavis
OPS
.895 AGon
.819 Dalbec
.803 Moreland
.785 Napoli
I was just providing facts and looking at individual seasons. It might not be how you were making your judgment or want others to view it, but it's a valid way at looking at our 1Bmen over the years.
I know I can be hypercritical, at times, but you take it to a very high level.
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Originally Posted by moonslav59
Ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by moonslav59
Saying they did well or good is not saying they were better than AGon, although the 2012 AGon was not much better.Quote:
Originally Posted by mvp 78
I was not "defending" them as being better than AGon. I merely pointed out those individual seasons compared to the 2012 AGon season.
You assume more than what is written- a common thing for you.
Royals sign Colten Brewer to MiLB deal.