Championships since purchase by John Henry group: Red Sox 4 Yankees 1
The Red Sox are 8-1 in their last 9 postseason games against the Yankees.
Manny and Ortiz have to be in their own category.
Great to EPIC or something similar to that.
other names i have posted under: none
Jake Marisnik traded to the Mets for scraps.
There goes one guy I thought we could replace JBJ with at little cost.
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
What I’m reading here is you’re attempts to discredit the thing really just show me your missing the point of it’s usefulness.
Don’t be one of those people who launches into attempts to discredit everything they don’t like or understand. Please. I enjoy your other posts...
Ah no you don't. Don't rob my young adulthood. I went to this game in '98 I think. Avery starting against the Mariners. It was the Greatest Game of All Time. Ken Griffey Jr. shocked everyone at Fenway by bunting. Bunt went down the first base line. Avery runs over to scoop it up. Uses his left hand to toss it to first base and just barely beats Griffey. Not too many other pitchers could have made that play. Avery goes 5 innings, but shuts the Mariners down. We of course end up winning with a Nomar grand slam after a Tom Gordon appearance. All the players in that game, so epic. We all stayed standing after the game ended chanting MVP! MVP! to Nomar.
I just don't see how players who've never played in the majors can be projected to have so much more value than players who have made the bigs and are already accomplished. I get that the number of years a player is controlled is important, but not if he becomes a bust. At least we know guys like Acuna and Soto have done it at the MLB level, but does anyone really think Acuna is worth Betts, Benintendi, Bradley and Bogaerts? The site accepted that deal, but said it was a minor overpay...
I accept that the site is useful as one guide, but there are a lot of other facets involved in trades (and not just the behind-the-scenes, sometimes ugly, truths fans never need to know). The most obvious that drive deals: what are a team's current needs (and yes, some of those may be short-term, and others long-term)? Those are factors a lot of fans also enjoy discussing and arguing over the hot stove.
There are plenty of realities in trades that the simulator can never catch.
What it does s compare projected WAR at some dollar value vs projected salary for every player. If the financial WAR number is greater, the player has a positive trade value and so on. It can’t determine need or team strategy or anything personal about the player and doesn’t to my knowledge incorporate NTCs. It just tells you if a trade is fair from a performance vs money standpoint.
Funny thing, the Braves probably reject your Acuna trade, because it would cost them something like $70mill. The simulator doesn’t take self-imposed team payrolls into account either.
One thing it does do is not allow 7 players for 1 player trades. Also it has a range for acceptance, and a $1mill difference always works. And apparently there is some logic where a team getting a high value player has to give up a player with something like 50% or so of his value. You know - getting something good back. To prevent those 4 quarters for a dollar trades fans make up on their own and think are fair.
The kicker,’most trades probably don’t match up on it. That’s ok. Bad trades happen. Most trades are probab;y worse for one team. Ever read the posts on MLBTR on a thread about a trade? The deal can be 10 minutes old, but inevitably someone will ask which team won the trade?
The simulator answers for that guy. It also really accepts trades that are equal financially (the guys who wrote it worked in finance). Frankly, I see better and more realistic trade proposals on that page than in any MLB.com article. Those guys are ALWAYS overestimating what a player can get. And here is the funny part - when reality kicks in and that trade doesn't happen, fans blame the GM!!! “Ian Browne said Bloom could get Lux, May, Ruiz and a house in Malibu for Betts. But our stupid GM settled for Tony Freakin' Gonsolin and Julio Urias!! Fire Bloom!!!”
Last edited by notin; 12-05-2019 at 06:12 PM.
That 76-85 Seattle team in 1998 featured three Hall of Famers in Ken Griffey Jr., Edgar Martinez and Randy Johnson (plus Alex Rodriguez with Hall of Fame numbers).
Here is your box score:
https://www.baseball-reference.com/b...99809020.shtml
Maybe because as Red Sox fans, we are a bit spoiled by our excessive budget? If it means anything, Dave Dombrowski clearly shares your view about the trade value of minor leaguers. And he has used it to build several successful teams.
If the Sox deal away a prospect who works out elsewhere, they can fill the void with an expensive free agent. Bye bye Kopech and Buttrey. Hello, Eovaldi and Kimbrel. But not every team can do this. Think Pittsburgh misses Austin Meadows and Tyler Glasnow? How are they going to replace them? (Probably by dealing Starling Marte.) For some teams, those non-major leaguers are essential components of the future, and when they don't work out, bad things happen. But when you have a budget, that is a necessary risk.
And really, even when a GM does employ the Dombrowski method for a successful team, the eventual lack of those not-yet-ready-for-prime-time players can create several years of a weak performing and expensive franchise. Dombrowski has a habit of leaving teams in that state, as well...
Last edited by notin; 12-05-2019 at 06:19 PM.
It's 'Acuna Matada for God's sake!
Seriously though, his value is based on alot of positive things all adding into one massive number.
He turns 22 soon and already has over 1200 PAs.
He's got 9 years of team control at an ungodly low price: 20:$1M, 21:$5M, 22:$15M, 23:$17M, 24:$17M, 25:$17M, 26:$17M, 27:$17M club option ($10M buyout), 28:$17M club option.
He has a career .897 OPS with 67 HRs in 1202 PAs.
He became a plus UZR OF'erin 2019.
When you look at the trade value of someone like Betts (50 value),who has just 1 year of team control and will be paid about $28M, one could argue it's Betts who has an inflated value not Acuna (200 value).
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
Tome, the trade simulator is just a fun way to throw trade ideas around.
Looking at the Braves team,one can be blown away by the values placed on so many players and prospects they have:
(Sox players in red)
200 Acuna
176 Albies
127 Devers
91 Bogaerts
79 Pache
70 Soroka
57 Waters
50 Devers
49 Riley
37 Freeman
36 Beni
32 Swanson
31 Anderson
28 ERod
25 Barnes
25 Casas
23 Vazquez
21 Wright
19 Dalbec
18 Chavis
16 Mata
15 Langeleriers
15 Muller
14 Shewmake
13 Newcomb
12 Toussaint
12 Duran
11 D Hernandez
10 Davidson
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?