Haha, I would love Holliday, but, if I'm the Yankees, I make Lackey the priority.Originally Posted by Dipre;498356;
Haha, I would love Holliday, but, if I'm the Yankees, I make Lackey the priority.
Why would you love Holliday?
He can't hit inside fastballs.
WAR is good for something.
lol
"Hating the Yankees like it's a religion since 94'" RIP Mike.
"It's also a simple and indisputable fact that WAR isn't the be-all end-all in valuations, especially in real life. Wanna know why? Because an ace in run-prevention for 120 innings means more often than not, a sub-standard pitcher covering for the rest of the IP that pitcher fails to provide. You can't see value in a vacuum when a player does not provide full-time production."
You mean like how he was especially hot on the inside of the plate, and the fact that most pitches are fastballs, like you pointed out? Yeah, he definitely can't hit inside fastballsWhy would you love Holliday?
He can't hit inside fastballs.
But Gom's right. 36 pitches in the playoffs obviously negates the 2,428 he saw during the regular season. He simply can't hit the inside fastball.
WAR is good for something.
Of course it does dude, I mean, the overwhelming bulk just doesn't fucking matter, how dare you say otherwise
Let's have fun here...and point out your stupidity.
Fastballs.
Watch replays of the NLDS and tell me what you see. Where we they pitching him? What were they throwing?
Apparently you do. As usual, you're wrong.
Taken from ESPN Insider:
Apparently I miscounted the number of inside fastballs...but the premise is 100% correct."In the postseason, the question is whether they can hit an inside fastball," says a longtime scout. "If they can't, they're going to get pounded." In the division series against the Dodgers, Cardinals cleanup man Holliday got pounded, and maybe it was inevitable. After struggling early on with Oakland, he was traded to St. Louis in late July and wrecked National League pitching. Some American League scouts wondered why NL hurlers didn't pitch Holliday inside more.
The Dodgers advance scouts must have asked the same question, because from the very first inning of the NLDS, Joe Torre basically challenged Holliday to beat LA. Torre ordered an intentional walk to Albert Pujols, loading the bases and putting the onus on Holliday, who struck out looking on an inside fastball. Dodgers pitchers kept crowding Holliday with hard stuff: Of the 36 pitches he saw in the series, 34 were fastballs-yes, 34-and of those, 20 were thrown inside. Holliday had one extra-base hit in the NLDS, a home run on a curveball away."
Stop embarrassing yourself. You're out of your league.
GAME OVER.
"Every year, the infielders move a step back because you have lost some speed, and the outfielders move in a step because you have lost some of your power. When they can shake hands, you're finished."
Small Sample Size.
.341 cumulative average on the inside part of the plate. At least 60% of those pitches were fastballs.
The premise is stupid and so is the poster.
GAME OVER.
WAR is good for something.
Exposed. Completely. As he was in the AL.
How do you know this? Do you know how many pitches he saw on the inside corner? Do you know how many were fastballs? You're guessing.
In this particular post, yes.
So you're smarter than the advance Dodger scouts who, by the way, by their work, completely shut down Holliday? I see your logic.
Keep trying, one day, you might get somewhere.
"Every year, the infielders move a step back because you have lost some speed, and the outfielders move in a step because you have lost some of your power. When they can shake hands, you're finished."
36 pitches > 2428 pitches according to Gom.
That is all.
WAR is good for something.
Dipre > Dodgers advance scouts.
Dude...you keep sinking...and sinking....
"Every year, the infielders move a step back because you have lost some speed, and the outfielders move in a step because you have lost some of your power. When they can shake hands, you're finished."
Gom> Logic.
Who's sinking. :lol:
WAR is good for something.
This is stupid.
The common rap on Holliday is that he can be beat by fastballs on the inside part of the plate.
To whatever degree that's true it didn't keep him from being able to be very productive this year. Whether good pitchers are able to take advantage of it or not is another question, but the playoff sample is too small to be certain about it.
I mean, he did only hit .136/.296/.318/.614 in 27 PAs in that one playoff round. That's pretty bad, so obviously he was being exploited.
Oh, wait, that's actually Mark Teixeira in the World Series.
Holliday hit .167/.231/.417/.647 in his 13 PAs. That's pretty bad, but it alone is not enough to tell me that a career .313 avg/.933 OPS hitter can't hit inside fastballs. That's silly. If they're exploiting something he will adjust. If an inside FB was enough to beat Holliday he wouldn't have had the career he's had.
I also find it interesting to read Gom saying he's probably too expensive. What does this mean, to a Yankee fan? His $$/WARP is too low?
Ok, you win. It's so obvious your logic supercedes mine.
I mean, Holliday hit .341 on inside fastballs?
WHAT WERE THE DODGERS THINKING? HOW COULD THEY POSSIBLY PITCH HIM INSIDE WITH FASTBALLS? HE'D MURDER THEM!!! FIRE ALL THEIR SCOUTS AND HIRE DIPRE!!!!!
Oh...wait....
Sssh...Don't tell Dipre. He's packing his things, thinking the Dodgers will give him a visa to come work for them.
I was really interested in watching him since I thought he was a great addition, regardless of the money. After seeing him, I changed my mind. It's like Soriano. An amazing hitter against mediocre pitchers, but against guys who can locate? Lost.
Good players adjust. Agreed. See Dipre? This is how you make a point. Maybe because English isn't your first language?
Anyways, 150 million or so for a player who built a career out of Coors and the National League and couldn't hit a lick in the AL and from what I saw, couldn't turn on an inside fastball? I'll pass.
It means he isn't going to be worth the money he's asking for, relatively speaking. Why did the Yankees win this year? As you mentioned, Tex was shit at the plate. They won because they had the best pitching in baseball. Throwing that much money at a hitter who is not without serious flaws IMO is a waste. Allocate that money towards short term deals with older players and wait for a good young player, like a Crawford becomes a free agent. Tie up pitching so that next year we can go with a four man rotation instead of a three man one.
"Every year, the infielders move a step back because you have lost some speed, and the outfielders move in a step because you have lost some of your power. When they can shake hands, you're finished."
Again, he hit a .341 cumulative batting average on the inside part of the plate, if you face mostly RH pitchers, they mostly don't throw breaking stuff inside to RH hitters, so logic tells you , it's mostly fastballs.
WAR is good for something.
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