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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post

    How about Brasier? +0.5 fWAR and -0.8 bWAR= -0.15 FUBAR!
    Brasier is a classic example of the FUBAR conundrum!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Brasier is a classic example of the FUBAR conundrum!
    It's a major swing.

    The bWAR and fWAR differentials are much more pronounced with pitchers, ad fWAR uses FIP-based metrics way more than bWAR.

    I think averaging the two really seems to get the placements right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    It seems both bWAR and FWAR have their pluses and minuses. Combining the two kinda flushes those out a bit.

    The problem is, both B-R and fangraphs are the "go to" stat sites, and neither will ever provide the FUBAR numbers.

    Eh.

    They’re no big deal to calculate. There was a time when B-R didn’t put up OPS numbers, but we managed to scramble through the complicated math to get the numbers…

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    It seems both bWAR and FWAR have their pluses and minuses. Combining the two kinda flushes those out a bit.

    The problem is, both B-R and fangraphs are the "go to" stat sites, and neither will ever provide the FUBAR numbers.
    It seems especially useful for pitchers, because fWAR and bWAR each seem to be geared to different types of pitchers.

    fWAR is based on FIP, which is a function of walks, strikeouts and home runs.

    bWAR is based on Runs Allowed, which is not what many think, but rather a function of ERA+ and IP…

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    So fWAR is better for high K / low BB types, particularly if they can limit home runs. bWAR works better for groundball/soft contact pitchers…

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    It seems especially useful for pitchers, because fWAR and bWAR each seem to be geared to different types of pitchers.

    fWAR is based on FIP, which is a function of walks, strikeouts and home runs.

    bWAR is based on Runs Allowed, which is not what many think, but rather a function of ERA+ and IP…
    https://www.baseball-reference.com/a...ed_pitch.shtml
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