The former Marlins President was on mlb radio today. He said the Marlins lost money 3 years straight. They built a deep offense, but when Jose Fernandez died, the pitching aspect fell to tatters. They don’t have the money to get pitching and their farm sucked. The Marlins were stuck being the Rangers of the early 00s. All offense, no pitching and multiple last place or 3rd place finishes. They had to tank and start over. There was no other way around it.
1. They came in 2nd in the NL East last year.Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch
2. They still have no farm.
3. They still have no pitching.
4. They're going to come in last in the NL East for a few years, but on the bright side no one will be there to see it...
Very true! Maybe they should start looking for relocation options now. Vegas for example!
I've always felt like North Carolina deserved a team.
There's some interesting info on MLBTR about what the Dodgers reportedly offered for Stanton.
Yes they came in 2nd but they lost the division by 20 games. They missed WC#2 by 10 games. They weren’t heading for the playoffs even with their offense crushing balls left and right. Like I said, they were the Rangers of the early 2000s. They had massive power and put up runs, but their pitching was awful. And they were losing money. It’s okay to lose money when you’re top dog, you’ll recoup that value in the value of the franchise and eventually when you rebuild. But they were losing money and losing ball games. If I were Jeter, I’d sell off every guaranteed contract. I’d deal even the arb guys and pre arb guy. If you’re gonna suck, go all out in sucking. By the time the current pre arb guys hit FA, you’ll still be in the rebuild. I’d deal Osuna and Yelich. They have one young pitcher who had a good year, I deal him too. Go for the gusto, 40 wins, 3-4 years of 1st pick overall, load the farm, sign INTL players and rebuild the old fashioned way
The Dodgers reportedly wanted the Marlins to take either A-Gon or Kazmir plus eat 30 million of Stanton's contract.
One reason the Dodgers reportedly weren't as keen as the Yanks was the prospect of Stanton being a DH type in the last few years of his contract.
Sometimes the DH rule difference can be a significant factor in player transactions - maybe that's a good reason they should unify the league rules one way or the other.
Stanton was always going to be in control here, but I do think the Marlins played their cards poorly and could/should have been able to do better. Seems like a better way to go about things would have been to make a public show of wanting to keep and build around Stanton while privately figuring out what clubs he would accept and quietly seeing what could be worked out with those clubs; instead, they pissed away their leverage by making it known that Stanton HAD to be traded and by carrying on very public negotiations with teams he did not want to play for, and once he rejected those teams, they were fucked.
It's all an excellent case study in why never to give out unlimited no-trade clauses...
LOL I like this Mike Silva tweet:
Two things should come out of Stanton and NYY: collusion investigation on Jeter and proof they feel deep down Judge isn’t sustainable
I wonder if Jeter got in his ear though, and talked the Yankees up to him. Or told him that you either agree to this trade or you'll be stuck here with a stripped down team. It is a little strange that Stanton was so set on going to the west coast but then seemingly agreed to the Yankees out of the blue.
The Dodgers apparently were very wary of that contract, especially the fact that it's so back loaded. That being the case, they might not have been willing to take on as much money as the Yankees did, which seems to be the top priority for the Marlins.
Swinging money around in baseball, in Florida, doesn’t work. Even if you do well, it’s not sustainable. Jeter is just doing what needs to be done in that market.
"It happens to everybody, man. He's had 60 at-bats. A couple of years ago, I had 60 at-bats, and I was hitting .170, and everyone was ready to kill me, too. And what happened? Laser show. So, relax."
The Marlins did handle the whole situation poorly, letting it be known that dumping Stanton's contract was a priority. I don't know whether it was Stanton or the Marlins who leaked all the information about who he would accept a trade to, but that didn't help either.
Giving Stanton that contract to begin with was stupid.
FWIW there's an interesting piece in the NY Post today suggesting that trading Stanton to the Yanks was not what he wanted to do.
https://nypost.com/2017/12/10/its-ki...g-the-yankees/
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