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    It would be worth a read by anyone to go to the Red Sox homepage and read the article written by Ian Browne about Martinez's defense and how he sees himself. I like JD more and more and am anxious for him to get to show people that he really isn't that bad regardless of what the analytics say. He has a lot of pride knows that he will be primarily a dh here but wants to be in that outfield from time to time as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emp9 View Post
    Ortiz was passable at 1B. There were just better first basemen out there to be had. The Sox took advantage of getting the most from that (1B & DH) situation. Gotta remember, Ortiz was fighting for more playing time early in his career (& injuries in Min) with both the Twins & Sox. Twins had Mientkiewicz (‘nuff said), before that veterans. Sox had a bunch of 1B options, Jeremy Giambi, Millar, etc... From a team perspective it just made more sense to make him the primary DH. Did it hurt how much money he could ultimately make? Yes, definitely. But considering it took Pedro to get the Sox to sign him, and Pedro again to fight for him to get more playing time, I think Papi did ok money-wise compared to what his fate could’ve easily been (a 2003 retirement). I personally believe if Ortiz had a full career at 1B he’d been average or very slightly below average, but with his bat nobody would’ve cared.

    So, no 1B for JDM? I would’ve liked to atleast see him get some reps there but that just me. I still can’t see him getting THAT much playing time in the OF. Again, from a team perspective... why?
    The 2003 offseason was interesting for sure for the Sox due to the crunch at DH/1B/3B. They had Millar, Giambi, Ortiz, Mueller and Hillenbrand all fighting for 3 spots. The opening day lineup was Millar 1B, Hillenbrand 3B and Giambi at DH. Hillenbrand had basically a fulltime role playing 50/50 1b/3b until he was moved in May. Ortiz was stuck in a timeshare with Giambi at DH until June.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cp176 View Post
    It would be worth a read by anyone to go to the Red Sox homepage and read the article written by Ian Browne about Martinez's defense and how he sees himself. I like JD more and more and am anxious for him to get to show people that he really isn't that bad regardless of what the analytics say. He has a lot of pride knows that he will be primarily a dh here but wants to be in that outfield from time to time as well.
    I read that yesterday also, and I give JD high marks for having the right attitude. That said, JD said that he blames the metrics for making him look like a bad defender. My response to that was, it's not the metrics that are making him look bad, it's his bad defense that are making him look bad.

    Obviously, I'm pulling for the guy both offensively and defensively. It's possible that he can play with improved defense going forward. But to date, he has been very bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimmi View Post
    I read that yesterday also, and I give JD high marks for having the right attitude. That said, JD said that he blames the metrics for making him look like a bad defender. My response to that was, it's not the metrics that are making him look bad, it's his bad defense that are making him look bad.

    Obviously, I'm pulling for the guy both offensively and defensively. It's possible that he can play with improved defense going forward. But to date, he has been very bad.
    It was sort of interesting what he said about being wall-shy after getting injured running into the wall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    It was sort of interesting what he said about being wall-shy after getting injured running into the wall.
    If I recall correctly, he more or less stated that he wasn't running hard after those balls, or that he was letting them go, or something along those lines. If that's the case, then he shouldn't be surprised that the defensive metrics don't like him.

    If he's going to play the field a lot for us, I hope he's over his fear of the walls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimmi View Post
    If I recall correctly, he more or less stated that he wasn't running hard after those balls, or that he was letting them go, or something along those lines. If that's the case, then he shouldn't be surprised that the defensive metrics don't like him.

    If he's going to play the field a lot for us, I hope he's over his fear of the walls.
    What wall?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimmi View Post
    If I recall correctly, he more or less stated that he wasn't running hard after those balls, or that he was letting them go, or something along those lines. If that's the case, then he shouldn't be surprised that the defensive metrics don't like him.

    If he's going to play the field a lot for us, I hope he's over his fear of the walls.
    I read the same thing you did and my interpretation was that he wasn't surprised at all about what the metrics said. His point though is certainly worth noting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    What wall?
    Seriously, if JD has a case of being wall-shy, left field in Fenway might be an issue. Especially if he knows that Hanley and Swihart both got hurt out there only recently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Seriously, if JD has a case of being wall-shy, left field in Fenway might be an issue. Especially if he knows that Hanley and Swihart both got hurt out there only recently.
    He can just keep playing the Mike Greenwell defense: "I'll pick the ball up, when it stops rolling."

    The Fenway wall is more about learning how the ball bounces off the wall rather than catching balls against it. He could just play a shallow LF and concede any catchable line drive off the lower wall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Seriously, if JD has a case of being wall-shy, left field in Fenway might be an issue. Especially if he knows that Hanley and Swihart both got hurt out there only recently.
    Does he still have the same injury concerns that kept him from being more aggressive going after wall balls? Doesn't sound to me like he does. I don't really think that suggesting that he is wall shy at this time is fair. I'm giving him a chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cp176 View Post
    Does he still have the same injury concerns that kept him from being more aggressive going after wall balls? Doesn't sound to me like he does. I don't really think that suggesting that he is wall shy at this time is fair. I'm giving him a chance.
    Considering what we need out of his bat, I wouldn't want him running into the wall. He should spend his time learning the bounces. Manny, Gator and Jim Ed were all good enough in LF when their bats were red hot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Considering what we need out of his bat, I wouldn't want him running into the wall. He should spend his time learning the bounces. Manny, Gator and Jim Ed were all good enough in LF when their bats were red hot.
    Agreed. Make him play a shallow LF and tell him never to run into the wall, unless it's game 7 of a playoff series.

    DH him in every AL park.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Considering what we need out of his bat, I wouldn't want him running into the wall. He should spend his time learning the bounces. Manny, Gator and Jim Ed were all good enough in LF when their bats were red hot.
    Me not advocating for what you are saying doesn't mean I necessarily disagree with this. I'm just saying give the guy a chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Agreed. Make him play a shallow LF and tell him never to run into the wall, unless it's game 7 of a playoff series.

    DH him in every AL park.
    If it's game 7, don't put him in LF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cp176 View Post
    Me not advocating for what you are saying doesn't mean I necessarily disagree with this. I'm just saying give the guy a chance.
    I'm just saying, he's better served not playing aggressively in LF.
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