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Thread: The Alex Cora Managerial Decision Thread

  1. #1306
    Quote Originally Posted by Slasher9 View Post
    i would like to see that stats of a manager using a closer the day after throwing 30+ pitches with a 4 run lead vs a lower tier offense in a mid june game.
    Kimbrel threw 23 pitches the game before, not 30+.

  2. #1307
    Players have to learn, That means making mistakes, Were you immune?
    A player makes a mistahe, runs into anout. So? What does that have to do with Cora making a bad decision?
    As far as I am concerned he has done one hell of a job! JD has fit in, Betts and Benintendi have blossmed.

    This looks like a "team" to me. It never did under Farrell.

  3. #1308
    Quote Originally Posted by SoxHop View Post
    I'm with you on this one. Sounds suspect. Who else was available though? Maybe Johnson who would have been fine for a 4 run lead.
    A 4 run lead is suspect IMO.

    When Velazquez loaded the bases in the 7th with one out, how comfy-cozy were you feeling?

  4. #1309
    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    A 4 run lead is suspect IMO.

    When Velazquez loaded the bases in the 7th with one out, how comfy-cozy were you feeling?
    Not to bad actually. It was a good time to bring in Kelly and close it out the 7th. Heck, they probably could of left Velazquez in there and we still would have won.

    I can't keep up with bullpen workloads. But I would have been fine seeing Workman or Hembree come in in the 9th last night.
    Now somewhere in the Black Mountain Hills of Dakota
    There lived a young boy named Rocky Raccoon
    And one day his woman ran off with another guy

  5. #1310
    The bottom line is, it's very common for managers to use their closer with a 4-run lead. Obviously they're not too concerned about whether it's a 'non-save' situation. They want to nail the damn thing down.

  6. #1311
    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    The bottom line is, it's very common for managers to use their closer with a 4-run lead. Obviously they're not too concerned about whether it's a 'non-save' situation. They want to nail the damn thing down.
    Well. Maybe someone should take away the panic button from them. I get that it's a gray area, but again, Kimbrell isn't available tonight.
    Now somewhere in the Black Mountain Hills of Dakota
    There lived a young boy named Rocky Raccoon
    And one day his woman ran off with another guy

  7. #1312
    Quote Originally Posted by SoxHop View Post
    Well. Maybe someone should take away the panic button from them. I get that it's a gray area, but again, Kimbrell isn't available tonight.
    There's also probably a 50% chance he won't be needed tonight. So that plays into it too.

  8. #1313
    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    There's also probably a 50% chance he won't be needed tonight. So that plays into it too.
    I'm throwing this back at you. You think using Kimbrell in that situation was a good idea, and better than other options?
    Now somewhere in the Black Mountain Hills of Dakota
    There lived a young boy named Rocky Raccoon
    And one day his woman ran off with another guy

  9. #1314
    Quote Originally Posted by Slasher9 View Post
    i would like to see that stats of a manager using a closer the day after throwing 30+ pitches with a 4 run lead vs a lower tier offense in a mid june game.
    Cora probably figures the Sox are due to pound the crap out of the O's in the next game.
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    It's only difficult for other people.

    It works the same way for stupid."

  10. #1315
    Love the discussion about Kimbrel. He stubs his toe, and Cora gets blamed for sending him out there in the first place. We already know Kimbrel shouldn't be used when men are on base. Ditto the 8th inning. Now apparently it's consecutive games. Also with 4 run leads. That's the beauty of having an $11M reliever--finding that perfect niche for him and absolutely, positively not placing too many demands on him.

  11. #1316
    Quote Originally Posted by SoxnCycles View Post
    Cora probably figures the Sox are due to pound the crap out of the O's in the next game.
    lol. that sounds great to me!
    unfortunately it always seems like whenever Sale pitches we are in a 1-0 or 2-1 ballgame......which is always a great time to have your lights out 9th inning closer available.
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  12. #1317
    Quote Originally Posted by SoxHop View Post
    I'm throwing this back at you. You think using Kimbrell in that situation was a good idea, and better than other options?
    Absolutely.

  13. #1318
    Quote Originally Posted by SoxHop View Post
    I'm throwing this back at you. You think using Kimbrell in that situation was a good idea, and better than other options?
    Kimbrel is a relief pitcher. He pitched in relief. You are seriously overthinking this.

    Kelly or Barnes can take a save situation from time to time. Taking appearanes in the 9th when the closer can't go is part of the setup role. That's why you have depth of quality relief, so if your most reliable guys are gassed, you have other arms you can fall back upon.

    The REd Sox are uniquely well suited to survive a situation where the closer can't go. Not many teams boast 2 other closer quality relievers, and we have them. Either Barnes or Kelly could be someone's closer in 2-3 years and would be up to the task. We have an incredible back end to our bullpen right now, and they're more than good enough to allow the manager to spread the load.

    This is not actually a problem. 2006 when Papelbon blew out his shoulder and the next best reliever we had was the corpse of Mike Timlin, THAT was a problem. This is an inconvenience at worst.
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  14. #1319
    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Absolutely.
    Because we needed a shutdown inning with a 4 run lead?
    Now somewhere in the Black Mountain Hills of Dakota
    There lived a young boy named Rocky Raccoon
    And one day his woman ran off with another guy

  15. #1320
    Quote Originally Posted by Dojji View Post
    Kimbrel is a relief pitcher. He pitched in relief. You are seriously overthinking this.

    Kelly or Barnes can take a save situation from time to time. Taking appearanes in the 9th when the closer can't go is part of the setup role. That's why you have depth of quality relief, so if your most reliable guys are gassed, you have other arms you can fall back upon.

    The REd Sox are uniquely well suited to survive a situation where the closer can't go. Not many teams boast 2 other closer quality relievers, and we have them. Either Barnes or Kelly could be someone's closer in 2-3 years and would be up to the task. We have an incredible back end to our bullpen right now, and they're more than good enough to allow the manager to spread the load.

    This is not actually a problem. 2006 when Papelbon blew out his shoulder and the next best reliever we had was the corpse of Mike Timlin, THAT was a problem. This is an inconvenience at worst.
    I get it. It's not the end of the world. But again, who's batting 4th or 5th isn't the end of the world. This board is about argueing inconveniences.

    Chances are we won't need Kimbrell tonight. But if that happens, and Workman has to come in and blows it. Well......... Kimbrell with a 4 run lead is going to look super duper suspect.
    Now somewhere in the Black Mountain Hills of Dakota
    There lived a young boy named Rocky Raccoon
    And one day his woman ran off with another guy

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