Hanley DFA’d

[harmony]

The best evidence is that the Sox DFA'd him,

They would not have done it, if they still had to pay the vest.

Perhaps the issue is too complicated for some.

Naturally the Red Sox would not have designated Hanley Ramirez for assignment if the front office thought the club would need to pay the vesting option.

The issue is what happens to the vesting option, a negotiated benefit of value to the player.

Ramirez through his agent presumably negotiated the vesting option to seal the deal. Perhaps Ramirez would not have signed on that date if he knew the Red Sox would not give him a reasonable opportunity to meet the conditions of the vesting option. After all, Ramirez -- who this year hit third in the batting order 38 times and second six times -- was on pace for the option to vest.

I don't have a definite answer ... I have only questions.

[harmony]

If he goes unsigned for a month or two, he won't be meeting the PA number needed to vest anyways.

And that may be grounds for a grievance ... the action by the Red Sox effectively deprived Ramirez the opportunity to vest the option (a milestone he was on pace to meet).

I wonder whether the landscape (or the CBA) have changed since the Dennis Lamp case in 1986:

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1987/01...4730536475600/

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1...t-title-relief

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/198...ays-management

[moonslav59]

And that may be grounds for a grievance ... the action by the Red Sox effectively deprived Ramirez the opportunity to vest the option (a milestone he was on pace to meet).

I doubt they'd win the grievance.

The one thing in their favor is the fact that Cora had HRam batting 2nd or 3rd right up to his release,

Moreland & JDM hitting over 1.000 helps the Sox.

HRam sucking 3 of the last 4 years is the clincher.

Sox win any grievance.

[harmony]

I doubt they'd win the grievance.

The one thing in their favor is the fact that Cora had HRam batting 2nd or 3rd right up to his release,

Moreland & JDM hitting over 1.000 helps the Sox.

HRam sucking 3 of the last 4 years is the clincher.

Sox win any grievance.

Hanley Ramirez was playing well enough to be on pace for the option to vest ... in fact well enough to be hitting second or third in a loaded lineup.

I suspect you're not an attorney.

Ramirez may or may not file a grievance and, if so, may or may not prevail ... but the situation raises interesting issues.

[moonslav59]

Maybe HRam will go on to have the same success Pablo is having after his release...

https://www.mlb.com/cut4/pablo-sando...gs/c-278631200

[Station 13]

Hanley Ramirez was playing well enough to be on pace for the option to vest ... in fact well enough to be hitting second or third in a loaded lineup.

I suspect you're not an attorney.

Ramirez may or may not file a grievance and, if so, may or may not prevail ... but the situation raises interesting issues.

He was?

[Station 13]

Maybe HRam will go on to have the same success Pablo is having after his release...

https://www.mlb.com/cut4/pablo-sando...gs/c-278631200

There was a tremor felt on the play.

[moonslav59]

Hanley Ramirez was playing well enough to be on pace for the option to vest ... in fact well enough to be hitting second or third in a loaded lineup.

I suspect you're not an attorney.

Ramirez may or may not file a grievance and, if so, may or may not prevail ... but the situation raises interesting issues.

I'm not an attorney, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express...

[harmony]

Maybe HRam will go on to have the same success Pablo is having after his release...

https://www.mlb.com/cut4/pablo-sando...gs/c-278631200

I saw Pablo Sandoval hit two doubles at AT&T Park last fall:

https://www.mlb.com/gameday/rockies-...ox,game=492368

... but stayed on the bench in my most recent visit to AT&T Park:

https://www.mlb.com/gameday/rockies-...ox,game=530066

[harmony]

He was?

https://www.baseball-reference.com/t...g-orders.shtml

[Station 13]

https://www.baseball-reference.com/t...g-orders.shtml

I know Hanley batted 3rd. But he didn't play well enough to keep playing, and especially hitting 3rd.

[S5Dewey]

Hanley Ramirez was playing well enough to be on pace for the option to vest ... in fact well enough to be hitting second or third in a loaded lineup.

Please don't confuse the fact that Hanley was hitting second or third in the lineup with your statement that he was playing well enough for the option to vest. He wasn't, and that was the problem. If he'd been playing well enough for the option to vest he wouldn't have been DFA'd.

[moonslav59]

I know Hanley batted 3rd. But he didn't play well enough to keep playing, and especially hitting 3rd.

Usually, the first step is a demotion in the line-up and then a benching with perhaps a later look-see.

Jumping from batting 2nd or 3rd to DFA seems strange.

I still think the DFA was justified. He's given us nothing for 3 of his 4 years here. We gave him all the chances he could ask for.

One could easily argue he hadn't won a FT job to start the season to begin with. Cora gave him the chance. He started off like he was going to claim the job for himself, despite Moreland and JD's great starts, but his last 18 games sealed his fate.

The fact that Moreland and JD were both over 1.000 at the time of the DFA, makes the release grievance-proof in my book

[harmony]

The fact that Moreland and JD were both over 1.000 at the time of the DFA, makes the release grievance-proof in my book

You're missing the issue.

Regardless of the performance of Mitch Moreland or J.D. Martinez (or Jackie Bradley) Hanley Ramirez was on pace to vest the option, a negotiated benefit of value to the player. The designation for assignment may prevent the option from vesting as much as a Red Sox benching would have (a performance-based benching may have had fewer legal ramifications).

[Station 13]

You're missing the issue.

Regardless of the performance of Mitch Moreland or J.D. Martinez (or Jackie Bradley) Hanley Ramirez was on pace to vest the option, a negotiated benefit of value to the player. The designation for assignment may prevent the option from vesting as much as a Red Sox benching would have (a performance-based benching may have had fewer legal ramifications).

Hanley was losing his job, he didn't keep pace.