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    Quote Originally Posted by greenmonster24 View Post
    I bet if we toke Chris Davis back we could get get Britten for a lot less. with Hanley gone he could become good again with change of scenery like Mike Lowell and Redsox can afford his salary lot small market teams can’t
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudboy View Post
    God no.
    I'd rather see Schoop and Britton in a package deal. Schoop is a 2nd baseman, is 26 and has a lifetime average of nearly 260. He isn't having his best year so might be cheap. He has good size and is from Curacao. We could have the middle infield from the ABC islands. Britton would be the key piece but Schoop might prove to be useful going forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OH FOY! View Post
    Oakland gave up crap for Familia. International Pool money big thing.
    Maybe, unlike what many have been saying, it's a buyer's market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Pom has proved he can be very effective as a two pitch SP'er.

    He's hit a rough stretch that may be affected by an injury.

    Sure, it would help if he had a 3rd effective pitch, but he may not need one, if he can just regain what he had the first half of 2016 and all of 2017.

    He got away with those 2 pitches in a new league when no one faced him yet. You can only get away with that for so long.
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    Chris Davis contract is from 2016 to 2022. 23 Million only a million more then Hanley. If we can resign after year and not have pay Kimbrel huge as he get a deal greater then Chapman probably. I predict Cubs they keep letting there closers walk and will after letting Davis walk see how important a closer is in post season or Nationals even Phillies could sign Kimbrel. Moreland numbers have gone done sense Hanley left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slasher9 View Post
    He got away with those 2 pitches in a new league when no one faced him yet. You can only get away with that for so long.
    He got away with it a year and a half and made the allstar team before being hurt. But being hurt seems to be his 3 pitch, so there is that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slasher9 View Post
    He got away with those 2 pitches in a new league when no one faced him yet. You can only get away with that for so long.
    That logic does not fit here.

    Pom started 13 games in the AL in 2016. He then followed with an excellent season in 2017. He started 32 games.

    In 2016, Pom faced the...

    Yanks 3 times
    TBR 3 times
    DET 2 times
    LAA , BAL , CLE , SEA 1 time

    He then faced these AL teams in 2017
    5 NYY
    4 BAL
    4 TBR
    4 TOR
    2 CWS, HOU, KCR, OAK
    1 CLE, DET, MN, SEA, TEX

    His 2nd half ERA was better than his first: 3.01 vs 3.60.



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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    That logic does not fit here.

    Pom started 13 games in the AL in 2016. He then followed with an excellent season in 2017. He started 32 games.

    In 2016, Pom faced the...

    Yanks 3 times
    TBR 3 times
    DET 2 times
    LAA , BAL , CLE , SEA 1 time

    He then faced these AL teams in 2017
    5 NYY
    4 BAL
    4 TBR
    4 TOR
    2 CWS, HOU, KCR, OAK
    1 CLE, DET, MN, SEA, TEX

    His 2nd half ERA was better than his first: 3.01 vs 3.60.


    I guess injury then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greenmonster24 View Post
    I bet if we toke Chris Davis back we could get get Britten for a lot less. with Hanley gone he could become good again with change of scenery like Mike Lowell and Redsox can afford his salary lot small market teams can’t
    Absolutely not. Davis has literally been the worst player in baseball this season, and is signed until 2023. We are already paying Pablo not to be on the team, do we really want another one of those situations? I wouldn't want Chris Davis and his horrendous deal under any circumstances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasonbay44 View Post
    Absolutely not. Davis has literally been the worst player in baseball this season, and is signed until 2023. We are already paying Pablo not to be on the team, do we really want another one of those situations? I wouldn't want Chris Davis and his horrendous deal under any circumstances.
    Davis is in the midst of the worst full season be a full time player in the history of the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldtimer View Post
    I'd rather see Schoop and Britton in a package deal. Schoop is a 2nd baseman, is 26 and has a lifetime average of nearly 260. He isn't having his best year so might be cheap. He has good size and is from Curacao. We could have the middle infield from the ABC islands. Britton would be the key piece but Schoop might prove to be useful going forward.
    I don't see a reason for the Orioles to include Schoop in a Britton deal and sell low on him. He would be a nice get, but he's coming off a 5 WAR season and is only 26.. Injuries derailed this season, but that doesn't make him just a cheap throw in.

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    Pomeranz pitched 25 innings and had 16 BB's in Pawtucket and Portand. Jeez. In the Majors you walk batters your playing Russian Roulette.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OH FOY! View Post
    Pomeranz pitched 25 innings and had 16 BB's in Pawtucket and Portand. Jeez. In the Majors you walk batters your playing Russian Roulette.
    I beleive his only good start was the last one. We are reaching on him coming up and doing well. I'm not expecting the best, but I'm a Sox fan so it kind of falls that way.

    i think the people that aren't impressed with his stuff are correct. He's only good at the top of his game, and he needs to hit close to mid 90 to be at the top of his game.
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    Pomeranz didn’t get by on smoke and mirrors. He had a fastball that hitters said played a lot harder than the 91.3 mph he averaged. He’d work that pitch up while using that devastating curveball down. The other thing fangraphs doesn’t really take into account is the varying speeds on his fastball. Last year, I saw him throw fastballs in the same game of 89 and 95. He’d vary his speeds as well and threw just enough cutters to make the pitch a viable concern for hitters. Two things have killed him this year, one fixable and one likely not. This year, the top end velocity is gone. That may not be fixable. The other is he lost command of his curve. He can regain that. Without his ability to go with heat up, he cannot reset the batters eyes to make the curve that much more devastating.

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    Thornburg and Smith are two relief pitchers DD brought in that have not done the job to date through injury, stupidity or what have you. The two have been far less stellar than we had hoped. Brasier has been excellent. So hard to tell when we bring in relief pitchers.

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