4 year deal. Lets see who he pulls to LA
4 year deal. Lets see who he pulls to LA
Hal sucks
"Hating the Yankees like it's a religion since 94'" RIP Mike.
"It's also a simple and indisputable fact that WAR isn't the be-all end-all in valuations, especially in real life. Wanna know why? Because an ace in run-prevention for 120 innings means more often than not, a sub-standard pitcher covering for the rest of the IP that pitcher fails to provide. You can't see value in a vacuum when a player does not provide full-time production."
"Hating the Yankees like it's a religion since 94'" RIP Mike.
"It's also a simple and indisputable fact that WAR isn't the be-all end-all in valuations, especially in real life. Wanna know why? Because an ace in run-prevention for 120 innings means more often than not, a sub-standard pitcher covering for the rest of the IP that pitcher fails to provide. You can't see value in a vacuum when a player does not provide full-time production."
The Lakers can't put together an acceptable trade package for Leonard, otherwise the deal would already be done. Ingram's a B-list prospect, nobody wants Lonzo on account of his crazy family, Kuzma's ceiling is an Antawn Jamison type guy, and that's really all they got. First round picks aren't that useful when they're coming from a surefire playoff team. Only way Kawhi's a Laker this season is if the Spurs get no other trade offers and blink. Maybe if a third team gets involved, but what team is going to pave Kawhi's way to LA in return for peanuts?
LeBron didn't do this for basketball reasons (hurr durr), he just wants to be in LA full time so he can get his showbiz career off the ground.
Sure they do. The Spurs can hold on to him until February then sell him off as a rental. There will be plenty of teams interested and they might even get a better deal than the crumbs the Lakers are offering them now. Or the Spurs could just stick it to him and keep him for the entire year. Send a message that they're not going to be bullied by some guy trying to strong-arm his way out of town for a shoe deal.
The Lakers have nothing impressive to give San Antonio. None of their first round picks will be worth anything. Ingram is not a can't-miss prospect by any means. He's not even a particularly good one, he's supposed to be a scorer yet he couldn't even get 20ppg on an empty roster last year. There is no pressure on the Spurs to make a deal with them.
Last edited by Jacoby_Ellsbury; 07-01-2018 at 09:43 PM.
Nobody is going to give up more than the Lakers, when Leonard isn't guaranteeing he'll re-sign, in fact he's even implying he won't re-sign and plans to sign with Lakers in off season. Kawhi also was cleared by the Spurs last year and just decided he wasn't going to play because he didn't trust the Spurs, or whatever his bullshit he was spewing was. When you have a guy, who literally will quit on your team and not play in playoff games, he's demanding a trade, and won't guarantee he'll re-sign with anyone but one team, its hard to get much value for him and other teams know this and are either avoiding the situation or low balling. There is no reason for a team like, say the Celtics to give up Brown or Tatum.
Ingram is only 20, and improved a lot last year, he definitely has trade value, and there is no way to possibly know how good or not good he'll end up being, but he's definitely improving. There is conflicting reports of what LA is actually offering, but its hard to believe San Antonio get's a much better offer than Ingram and Kuzma, two good young players.
Hence the word "rental". You'd be surprised at what teams might be willing part with at the trade deadline when they're looking for the missing piece, and they'll have a lot more motivation to make it worth San Antonio's while than the Lakers do right now with their take-it-or-leave-it offers. This season is probably Toronto's last chance to contend for a title. Milwaukee's running out of time with Giannis and could really use a deep playoff run. Ditto for New Orleans and Anthony Davis. The Sixers could get antsy if February rolls around and they're sitting in 4th-5th place in the conference. There will be teams in the market.
If Kawhi's value is already shot, and the offer coming from the Lakers is garbage and will not get any better (they have nothing to trade), then what's the harm in San Antonio holding onto him?
If an "elite scoring prospect" can't put up anything even close to elite scoring numbers in his second NBA season on a completely barren roster, he's no good. Ingram is the next Michael Beasley. There's a reason a Spurs-Lakers trade hasn't already been completed - because San Antonio doesn't fucking want him.Ingram is only 20, and improved a lot last year, he definitely has trade value, and there is no way to possibly know how good or not good he'll end up being, but he's definitely improving. There is conflicting reports of what LA is actually offering, but its hard to believe San Antonio get's a much better offer than Ingram and Kuzma, two good young players.