It's been hit and miss. No rings without Manny, Papi, Victorino, Napoli, Foulke, Damon, Price or JDOriginally Posted by notin
It's been hit and miss. No rings without Manny, Papi, Victorino, Napoli, Foulke, Damon, Price or JD
And that it’s been hit and miss shows what a complete crapshoot that process is...
And the thing about crapshoots is that sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. In this case "we" are gambling with JH's money and the reward for winning far outstrips the risk of losing.
It's a mere moment in a man's life between the All-Star game and the Old Timer's game.
-Vin Scully
This is what Bill James said 30 years ago, that the way to build a team is through the minors, then using Free Agents to fill gaps when minor league players don't progress as the FO has hoped/predicted.
It's a mere moment in a man's life between the All-Star game and the Old Timer's game.
-Vin Scully
There are always going to be some cases where a low budget team is a winner or a big budget team flops . But those are the exceptions. There is a very clear and obvious correlation between payroll and winning.
But there is a distinction between payroll and spending.
Paying/extending your current players through their peak years = good.
Spending for post-30yo free agents for big contracts long term = bad
Free agency for the Red Sox (and most teams) typically has been a case of short term gains, and sometimes coupled with long term commitments. Manny Ramirez remains the outlier case where the team spent heavily on a player and he was productive for the life of the deal...
Not really. The team has won 4 titles in 15 years and high priced free agents have played major roles in all them. (A lot of dead money has resulted too, no one can deny that.)
The team owners have been raking it in in spite of that dead money.
Championships + profits + market appreciation. I don't see how you can argue with the results.
Championships since purchase by John Henry group: Red Sox 4 Yankees 1
The Red Sox are 8-1 in their last 9 postseason games against the Yankees.
Exactly. The list of failures is about as long as the successes:
Offerman, Lugo, Dice-K, the Penny/Smoltz combo, Crawford, Masterson, the 2nd Napoli signing, Pablo, HRam.
Some might say JD Drew, Dempster, Jenks ($6M), and some even called the Price signing a disaster.
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
Yes, and although his last 2 years of the deal were spent in LA, we had Jay Bay in his place via the trade.
(BTW, we got Workman as comp for losing JBay.)
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
Every team in baseball has a process that's hit and miss. That should be kind of obvious. No team has had anything resembling a dynasty this century.
Championships since purchase by John Henry group: Red Sox 4 Yankees 1
The Red Sox are 8-1 in their last 9 postseason games against the Yankees.
There is no correlation between spending and single year success.
However, there is some correlation between spending and sustained success.
Which is basically what I'm saying.
Championships since purchase by John Henry group: Red Sox 4 Yankees 1
The Red Sox are 8-1 in their last 9 postseason games against the Yankees.
Amen.
Yes, I was supporting you.
Although I don't think that spending boatloads of money on free agents year in and year out is the way to build a strong franchise, unless the owner wants to eat a lot of money, which Henry has shown the willingness to do.
But there comes a point when the spending has to be limited. We're feeling that this year and we will feel it over the next couple of years.
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