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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
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    WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court is allowing a class-action lawsuit to proceed from minor league baseball players who allege they are being paid less than minimum wage.
    There's a minimum wage for salaried workers? Or are those players getting paid by the hour?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    There's a minimum wage for salaried workers? Or are those players getting paid by the hour?
    No idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    There's a minimum wage for salaried workers? Or are those players getting paid by the hour?
    I believe they are salaried, but the wages come out to being below minimum wage.

    Old article, but it is probably not completely out of date.

    https://www.pennlive.com/sports/2019...gular%20season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    I believe they are salaried, but the wages come out to being below minimum wage.

    Old article, but it is probably not completely out of date.

    https://www.pennlive.com/sports/2019...gular%20season.
    The idea that is due to the time constraints of travel and having to practice (while not getting paid for it) prohibits players from even having a second job. Frankly, paying every MiLBer even $30k should be doable for these teams. They are planning on reducing the amount of leagues and teams anyway.
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    It is kind of stupid . MLB owners spend money lavishly on some areas , then go cheap on the minor leaguers . MLB needs the minors . Unlike the NFL and NBA , not too many players come out of college ready for the big show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgalehouse View Post
    It is kind of stupid . MLB owners spend money lavishly on some areas , then go cheap on the minor leaguers . MLB needs the minors . Unlike the NFL and NBA , not too many players come out of college ready for the big show.
    And most of the ones that do are very often rather mediocre, like Pete Incaviglia and Mike Leake...

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    MLB wants to kill the New York-Penn League and turn it into yet another college wood bat league:


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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
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    MLB wants to kill the New York-Penn League and turn it into yet another college wood bat league:


    Rest in Pieces Spinners...
    No more Spinners is just another reason to never go to Lowell...

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    Bellhorn has compiled a pretty good list, which unfortunately tempts me to rant again.

    I agree on the length of games, which keeps increasing. I do not agree with Kimmi that commercials are part of the problem because they only occur when nothing is happening on the field anyway. In the NBA and he NFL, the refs will definitely call timeout for commercials, but in MLB they only occur between half innings, when relief pitchers get their warmup pitches on the mound, or when either manager calls for a replay. That said, I think MLB headquarters could do more to accelerate games, but probably like the additional opportunities for commercials.

    Moneyball, the book and movie, are based on real adjustments Billy Bean made as GM for the Oatkland A's, and the result was a good flick.

    But (here comes the rant) it also emphatically made the case that good general managers can and should make managers irrelevant because computer programs and video provide the best answer on almost every baseball decision, including lineups, when and who to use in the bullpen, how to pitch to specific batters, where to position every fielder for each hitter, telltales on opposing pitchers, when to pinch hit and with whom etc, etc. Thus it will be good to get Cora back in the dugout, but Chaim Bloom and the computers will probably be making almost all of the decisions.

    Another rant. I think umpires, including their mistakes, are an important part of baseball and always have been. Yes, some bad calls, including balls and strikes, are egregious, but most are not. More often than not, the hitters are wrong when they complain about calls. More to the point, the robots that people want used can see and display accuracies which the human eye cannot see, and that is a fact, not a surmise. But, because that strike zone is superimposed on the TV picture, we think those very close pitches, in and out of the strike zone, are the only acceptable standard.

    I do, however, like the opportunities for managers to challenge other calls, not because they are important in themselves (even though sometimes they are), but because they have gone a long way to minimize managers and coaches charging onto the field to challenge a call. Again, however I do think it is laughable when the announcers replay several camera angles before finally rendering their verdict--just as the officials in NYC are able to do. Me, I prefer the umpire's call to be final because that's why he is out there.

    I hate the shifts, of course, but I am more dismayed that computers or whatever have convinced players to hit over the shifts (launch angle) and not to hit away from the shifts.

    I am untroubled by the DH in the AL but not in the NL because I don't mind seeing pitchers hit or being pinch hit for. Also, isn't a pure DH an incomplete player? And, if you can do that for pitchers, why not for weak-hitting but brilliant-fielding shortstops and centerfielders? Heck, why not offensive and defensive teams?

    Despite my rants, the only thing I can definitely say needs to be changed is the length of games. I would enforce the 25 second rule (time between pitches), and I would take away almost all of the little stalls hitters use. Once you step into the batter's box, you can't call time, period.

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    It's Billy Beane with an "e" on the end.

    Billy Bean without an "e" is a completely different baseball player with a much, much different legacy...

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    It's the 'average fan' I'm concerned about. They're the ones who basically foot the bill.

    The World Series TV ratings were horrendous this year. Of course it's hard to say how much of that is because of COVID and related issues, and how much because a lot less people care about watching baseball anymore.
    Championships since purchase by John Henry group: Red Sox 4 Yankees 1

    The Red Sox are 8-1 in their last 9 postseason games against the Yankees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxbialystock View Post
    Bellhorn has compiled a pretty good list, which unfortunately tempts me to rant again.

    I agree on the length of games, which keeps increasing. I do not agree with Kimmi that commercials are part of the problem because they only occur when nothing is happening on the field anyway. In the NBA and he NFL, the refs will definitely call timeout for commercials, but in MLB they only occur between half innings, when relief pitchers get their warmup pitches on the mound, or when either manager calls for a replay. That said, I think MLB headquarters could do more to accelerate games, but probably like the additional opportunities for commercials.

    Moneyball, the book and movie, are based on real adjustments Billy Bean made as GM for the Oatkland A's, and the result was a good flick.

    But (here comes the rant) it also emphatically made the case that good general managers can and should make managers irrelevant because computer programs and video provide the best answer on almost every baseball decision, including lineups, when and who to use in the bullpen, how to pitch to specific batters, where to position every fielder for each hitter, telltales on opposing pitchers, when to pinch hit and with whom etc, etc. Thus it will be good to get Cora back in the dugout, but Chaim Bloom and the computers will probably be making almost all of the decisions.

    Another rant. I think umpires, including their mistakes, are an important part of baseball and always have been. Yes, some bad calls, including balls and strikes, are egregious, but most are not. More often than not, the hitters are wrong when they complain about calls. More to the point, the robots that people want used can see and display accuracies which the human eye cannot see, and that is a fact, not a surmise. But, because that strike zone is superimposed on the TV picture, we think those very close pitches, in and out of the strike zone, are the only acceptable standard.

    I do, however, like the opportunities for managers to challenge other calls, not because they are important in themselves (even though sometimes they are), but because they have gone a long way to minimize managers and coaches charging onto the field to challenge a call. Again, however I do think it is laughable when the announcers replay several camera angles before finally rendering their verdict--just as the officials in NYC are able to do. Me, I prefer the umpire's call to be final because that's why he is out there.

    I hate the shifts, of course, but I am more dismayed that computers or whatever have convinced players to hit over the shifts (launch angle) and not to hit away from the shifts.

    I am untroubled by the DH in the AL but not in the NL because I don't mind seeing pitchers hit or being pinch hit for. Also, isn't a pure DH an incomplete player? And, if you can do that for pitchers, why not for weak-hitting but brilliant-fielding shortstops and centerfielders? Heck, why not offensive and defensive teams?

    Despite my rants, the only thing I can definitely say needs to be changed is the length of games. I would enforce the 25 second rule (time between pitches), and I would take away almost all of the little stalls hitters use. Once you step into the batter's box, you can't call time, period.
    Max , Excellent post. Well thought out and some very good points. Not a rant at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    It's the 'average fan' I'm concerned about. They're the ones who basically foot the bill.

    The World Series TV ratings were horrendous this year. Of course it's hard to say how much of that is because of COVID and related issues, and how much because a lot less people care about watching baseball anymore.
    The MLB fan base does seem to be shrinking. I'm not sure what the solution is. It is obvious that Manfred does not have the answers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    It's Billy Beane with an "e" on the end.

    Billy Bean without an "e" is a completely different baseball player with a much, much different legacy...
    I often forget the spelling, so, rather than google it, I just guess. And The Billy Beane is himself two guys--the very promising five tool player who bombed, and the scout who worked his way up to GM and VP for the A's. According to the movie, the young Beane (as Billy remembers his own experience as a player) convinced the GM Beane that scouts basically know nothing--ditto managers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxbialystock View Post
    I often forget the spelling, so, rather than google it, I just guess. And The Billy Beane is himself two guys--the very promising five tool player who bombed, and the scout who worked his way up to GM and VP for the A's. According to the movie, the young Beane (as Billy remembers his own experience as a player) convinced the GM Beane that scouts basically know nothing--ditto managers.
    Meanwhile the other Billy Bean, also an outfielder, was one of, if not the first openly gay Major Leaguers.

    I wonder how often these two get confused...

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