If Bill Belichick was Opposing Manager for a Major League team facing the Sox, it would take him less then a minute, to game plan against them.
Wait them out.
Hope your starter holds them to 3 runs or less, looks like 6 might be it now I don't know. Get to 100 pitches on Sox Starters, then do damage. Occasionally they will do their job, but I like my odds against that Bullpen.
Especially if you have a stronger BP then them.
LOL there's no need to bring Belichick into this. Every other team knows we have a shaky pen and what that means.Originally Posted by OH FOY!
Championships since purchase by John Henry group: Red Sox 4 Yankees 1
The Red Sox are 8-1 in their last 9 postseason games against the Yankees.
Cant help it. Pats Fan.
Apparently Belicheck is better at baseball strategy than baseball managers?
I think Bill Belichick is a very smart guy and he's smart enough to know he would never want to be a baseball manager.
Championships since purchase by John Henry group: Red Sox 4 Yankees 1
The Red Sox are 8-1 in their last 9 postseason games against the Yankees.
Nothing wrong with that!
Championships since purchase by John Henry group: Red Sox 4 Yankees 1
The Red Sox are 8-1 in their last 9 postseason games against the Yankees.
You can come up with all of stats you want to try and paint a better picture , but when you have as many blown saves as you have saves , it is pretty obvious that you are having trouble holding a late lead and closing out a victory. And when all is said and done , that is the biggest and most important thing for a bullpen.
Last edited by dgalehouse; 06-23-2019 at 12:24 PM.
Again, and I've said this many times, Our pen has been a plus to date, but going forward, it is by far our biggest area of need.
WE NEED TO ACQUIRE AT LEAST ONE SOLID RP'ER... and YESTERDAY!
That has been my position since the beginning of the off season.
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
But, how many games did our starter suck, and the pen did a greata job keeping the team in the game while the offense scored enough for us to get the win?
Is that not as important as blown saves vs saves?
What stat captures that value?
Our pen has certainly blown more wins than anybody wants. It's been maddening. It's horrible. It needs to be fixed (YESTERDAY!).
That being said, our pen has saved the day way more time than thay have blown games. They have won games for us that do not count as a "save." Many of our RP'ers got wins. They have 20 wins credited to them. Some are after they blew a save and we still won, but many were hard earned.
Game by Game ER/IP(SP vs Pen)
1. L 12-4 Sale 7/3- Pen 4/5
2. W 7-6 Eovaldi 6/5- Pen 0/4
3. L 6-5 ERod 5/4.1- Pen 0/3.2
4. L 10-8 Porcello 4/2.2- Pen 1/5.1
5. L 6-0 Price 4/6- Pen 2/2
6. L 1-0 Sale 1/6- Pen 0/2
7. W 6-3 Eovaldi 3/5- Pen 0/4
8. L 7-3 ERod 6/3.2- Pen 1/4.1
9. L 15-8 Porcello 7/4.2- Pen 8/3.1
10. W 5-4 Price 4/6- Pen 1/3
11. W 1-0 Velaz 0/3- Pen 0/6
12. L 7-5 Sale 5/4- Pen 2/5
13. W 7-6 Eovaldi 5/5- Pen 1/4
14. W 6-4 ERod 2/6.2- Pen 2/2.1
15. L 9-5 Porcello 3/4- Pen 4/5
16. W 4-0 Price 0/7- Pen 0/2 (pen did well)
17. L 8-1 (pen game) Velz 1/3- Pen 7/6
18. L 8-0 Sale 4/5- Pen 4/3
19. L 5-3 Eovaldi 0/6- Pen 4/2
20. W 6-4 ERod 3/5.1- Pen 0/3.2
21. W 6-5 Porcello 2/5.2- Pen 3/3.1
22. W 4-3 Price 2/5- Pen 1/6
23. L 7-4 Sale 2/5- Pen 5/4
24. L 4-2 (pen game) Velaz 3/3.1- Pen 1/5.9
25. W 11-4 ERod 1/6- Pen 3/3
26. W 7-2 Porcello 3/6- Pen 0/3
27. L 2-1 Price 2/6- Pen 0/3
28. L 5-2 Sale 2/7(2 unearned)- Pen 1/2
29. W 9-4 ERod 4/4.2- Pen 0/4.1
30. W 5-1 Porcello 0/8- Pen 1/1
31. W 7-3 (pen game) Velaz 1/2- Pen 2/7
32.L 6-4 Price 3/6- Pen 2/2.1 (1 unearned) Shared?
33. W 6-1 Sale 0/6- Pen 1/3
34.W 15-2 ERod 1/6- Pen 1/3
35. W 9-2 Porcello 2/6- Pen 0/3
36. L 4-1 JSmith 4/3.1- Pen 0/4.2
37. W 8-5 (pen game) Velaz 2/3- Pen 3/7
38. W 2-1 Sale 1/8- Pen 0/4 (Close to shared win)
39. W 14-1 ERod 0/7- Pen 1/2
40. W 9-5 Porcello 4/6.2- Pen 1/2.2
41. W 11-2 Velz 2/5- Pen 0/4
42. L 5-4 Sale 2/7- Pen 3/4
43. W 6-5 ERod 5/6- Pen 0/4
44. L 3-1 Porcello 2/7 - Pen 0/2
45. L 7-3 Velaz 5/0.1 -Pen 2/8.2
46. W 4-3 Sale 3/5.1- Pen 0/3.2
47. W 12-2 Price 0/5 2 unearned- Pen 0/4
48. L 10-3 ERod 6/5- Pen 4/3
49. W 6-5 Porcello 1/6- Pen 4/7
50. W 8-2 Weber 1/6- Pen 1/3
51. L 4-3 Sale 2/6- Pen 0/2/
52. L 4-3 Price 0/0.2- Pen 4/7.1
53. W 4-1 ERod 1/6- Pen 0/3
54. W 12-5 Porcello 3/6.2 2 unearned- Pen 0/2.1
55. L 7-5 Price 0/6- Pen 7/3
56. L 14-9 Weber 7/4- Pen 7/5
57. L 4-1 Sale 4/6- Pen 0/2
58. L 5-3 Porcello 5/4.2- Pen 0/3.1
59. W 8-5 Price 2/6.1- Pen 3/2.2
60: W8-3 KCR: ERod put us in a hole 2-0, but we scored 3 in the 6th to get him the win: SP 5.2 2 ER/ RP 3.1 1ER - Slight edge to RP
61: W 8-0 KCR: Chris Sale pitched shut out: SP all the way.
62: W 7-5 KCR: Pen game. Weber started (1.1 IP 2 ER). The pen: 7.2 IP 3 ER. Pen gets the win.
63: L 5-1 TBR: Porcello 6 IP 4 ER/ Pen 3 IP 1 ER: loss edge to SP
64: L 9-2 TBR: Josh Smith (4 IP 4 ER)/ Pen 5 IP 4 ER- 4 in 9th after game was already lost) Edge loss to SP.
65: W 5-1 TBR: Price 6 IP 1 ER/ Pen 3 IP 0 ER: Win goes to both. (+0.5)
66: L 6-1 TBR: ERod 5.2 IP 4 ER/ Pen 4.1 IP 2 ER: Loss goes to SP
67: L 4-3 TEX: Sale 7 IP 0ER/ Pen 4 IP 3 ER: Loss goes to pen.
68: L 9-5 TEX: DHerm 3 IP 3 ER/ Pen 6 IP 5 ER: I'll call this a tie loss.
69: W 4-3 TEX: Porcello 6.2 IP 2 ER/ Pen 2.1 IP 0 ER: Edge to pen.
70: W 7-6 TEX: Price 1.1 IP 6 ER/ Pen 7.9 IP 0 ER: Clear win to pen 100%!
71: W 13-2 BAL: ERod 7 IP 1 ER/ Pen 2 IP 1 ER: Clear win for SP.
72: W 7-2 BAL: Sale 6IP 2 ER/ Pen 2 IP 0 ER: Edge to RP
73: W 8-6 BAL in 10: Johnson 3 IP 1 ER/ Pen 7 IP 3 ER. Edge to SP despite just 3 IP.
74: W 2-0 MN: Porcello 7 IP 0 ER/ Pen 2 IP 0 ER. SP gets win.
75: L 4-3 MN (17 inn): Price 5 IP 1 ER/Pen 11.1 3 ER. Pen gets loss.
76: W 9-4 MN: ERod 7 IP 4 ER/ Pen 2 IP 0 ER: Win to pen.
77. W 7-5 TOR: Sale 5 IP 3 ER (1 unearned)/ Pen 5 IP 1 ER: Pen gets the win.
78: L 8-7 TOR: Johnson 5 IP 0 ER/ Pen 4 IP 7 ER: Pen gets the loss.
Totals:
Starters 17-22 (-5)
Relievers 25-14 (+11)
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
You have constantly urged we go out for at least one for the pen and if we can stay under the 2nd tier cap, two. Of course both the pen and the starters have had their issues but adding a meaningful starter looks to be beyond our resources. Of course some advocate blowing the top of the budget but I am not one of those. If we can get Eovaldi back soon and Stephen Wright can give us something, our starting issues aren't as significant anyway. We also need Hembree back ASAP as he has been better than a number of our BP. Many of us now believe we are playing for a WC, without much hope of catching the Yankees. So the moves that we could make are likkely to bring us a WC.
I do not agree with the idea that the bullpen is the area where you look to economize . The pen has never been more important than it is in baseball today . The pen is a factor in just about every close game . The argument you hear is that relievers can be inconsistent . That may be true , but starters can be inconsistent as well . But whether it is starters or relievers , the better , more consistent ones usually cost more money. When you plan your budget , you should not look to shortchange the bullpen . It is too vital an area .
The Sox plan to activate Steven Wright this week. And the. Nationals just released Trevor Rosenthal.
Rose th has been awful this year but he is very much the type of reliever DD loves ...
We did get Eovaldi last year for Beeks, so it's not impossible to find a starter this summer, especially if it is a buyer's market.
I would prefer 2 RP'ers.
Maybe give Wright a chance to show he can be one, but we need to go outside the system to get a very solid RP'er. I'd prefer a closer, but i'd be fine with a very solid set-up man.
I'm not sue how much longer we can wait.
Today's loss was on the starter (Porcello). New tally:
Starters 17-23 (-6)
Relievers 25-14 (+11)
Last edited by moonslav59; 06-23-2019 at 04:30 PM.
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
I do think the pen is important, and there are inconsistent RP'ers and starters. There don't seem to be many consistent RP'ers, and even Kimbrel looked like a train wreck at the end of last year.
IMO, the most consistent RP'er cost way to much money. It's not so much wanting to skimp on the pen as it is not wanting to spend huge on it.
There is a gray area between, and that is where we have skimped. In hindsight, spending on a RP'er instead of Pearce looks like a no-brainer, and many said this in foresight.
Now that Eovaldi has been on the shelf for so long, one could question that signing vs 2 good RP'ers as well.
We did not have the money to spend large, unless we signed KImbrel not Eovaldi & Pearce. I still think signing Kimbrel would have been a mistake, so what was left?
I loved Ottavino, and that signing worked out well, but I also saw Cody Allen as a "gray area" signing, and he has sucked. Many of the other RP'er signed this winter have been horrible or hurt or both. We could easily have satisfied your call to action last winter and struck out with every signing. Most were duds. The odds would have been against us had we signed 2-3 decent to good RP'ers.
I think DD recognized the budget and the crap shoot nature of those pitcher he could have signed and figured he'd wait to trade for one in the summer--one that has shown not to be a dud. Certainly that position is worthy of criticism, but so far, our pen has not been as bad as the blown saves makes it appear to be.
My worry is about going forward. We both agree: we NEED HELP NOW!
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
Moon...I love these season tallies. Shoot I did a JBj one for 4 straight seasons.
I think you need to adjust your scoring though. The starters should get credit when they pitch a good game but the pen blows it or WTF Cora pulls the starter too early and the pen implodes. See last night (83 pitches) and Price last start (73) as two perfect examples of this. Perhaps the SP should get a “w” for those games? Or at least 1/2 a w???
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