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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch View Post
    And if we get Machado, our offense will be better than yours as well. With Paxton, Sevy and Tanaka at the top and Sale looking hurt, there is a strong chance we topple you there too
    Just wish away Tanaka's injury?

    Severino's issues?

    Neglect the 4-5 starters, where we blow yours away?

    Talk about rosey glasses!


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    Once we resign kimbrel and add a replacement for Kelly (ottavino?) our bullpen is not looking that bad.

    Ps: Feltman, lakins and Hernandez could all arrive this year as well!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Cook View Post
    Once we resign kimbrel and add a replacement for Kelly (ottavino?) our bullpen is not looking that bad.

    Ps: Feltman, lakins and Hernandez could all arrive this year as well!
    No way we get both.

    I'm doubtful we get one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch View Post
    And if we get Machado, our offense will be better than yours as well. With Paxton, Sevy and Tanaka at the top and Sale looking hurt, there is a strong chance we topple you there too

    Must be nice to have such bastions of health like Paxton and Tanaka in the rotation...

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    They are still going to sign another guy or two to the pen. This is far from a complete squad. At the very least, bringing up Hernandez and Feltman could be a good shot in the arm to the middle relief. The Sox are pretty high on Lakins as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch View Post
    And if we get Machado, our offense will be better than yours as well. With Paxton, Sevy and Tanaka at the top and Sale looking hurt, there is a strong chance we topple you there too
    And your metrics last offseason put the Yankees on top in 2018 too. How'd that work out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch View Post
    That's 5 relievers. The sox will carry 7. Brian Johnson will likely be amongst them, but he sucked in 2018. The final spot will likely be a competition amongst some low ceiling relievers in the high minors. The fact remains, pulling Barnes and Brasier up to replace Kelly and Kimbrel really exposes the sox underbelly. And while the guys in the middle aren't entirely awful, they all have big HR rates, higher than expected hit rates and non-impeccable walk rates, meaning that they're gonna blow some leads.
    Johnson did perform better as a starter than as a reliever, and Cora had a 4 inning leash at that.

    Poyner I rather liked, I hope he gets a more prominent role.

    Thornburg needs to show something in spring training, as does Carson Smith.

    A healthy Steven Wright changes things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Just wish away Tanaka's injury?

    Severino's issues?

    Neglect the 4-5 starters, where we blow yours away?

    Talk about rosey glasses!

    The rotations as comprised had a distinct WAR advantage in the Yankee direction.
    Hal sucks

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Must be nice to have such bastions of health like Paxton and Tanaka in the rotation...
    says the guy with Mr. Tingles, Eovaldi and ERod in his rotation. And how was Sale's shoulder by season's end?
    Hal sucks

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch View Post
    And how was Sale's shoulder by season's end?
    Good enough that he pitched the final 3 outs of the World Series and fanned the side. He also went 1-0 against the Yankees in the ALDS with a hold in the deciding game 4.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch View Post
    says the guy with Mr. Tingles, Eovaldi and ERod in his rotation. And how was Sale's shoulder by season's end?

    The difference is you keep highlighting Sox injury concerns but operating on the assumption all Yankee pitchers are going to be 100% all season long.

    Both staffs are going to have injuries. And as both rotations are stacked, those injuries will be to significant players....

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    The difference is you keep highlighting Sox injury concerns but operating on the assumption all Yankee pitchers are going to be 100% all season long.
    Page 1 out of his playbook.
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    Resetting reliever market for Red Sox

    ROB BRADFORD
    JANUARY 08, 2019 - 10:04 AM
    Within the last few days, the Red Sox' relief-pitching options would seem to have dwindled considerably.

    David Robertson has gone to Philadelphia, with Kelvin Herrera signing on with the White Sox. And, of course, the Yankees added to their list of game-enders with the inking of Zach Britton.

    So where does that leave Alex Cora's bullpen?

    When mentioning what the late-inning relief options might look like Dave Dombrowski has been quick to cite Matt Barnes, Ryan Brasier and Steven Wright, with no signs of he is desperate to add into that mix. They set their price on Joe Kelly, Joakim Soria, Britton, Robertson and Herrera, ultimately letting the Dodgers, A's, New York, Phils and Chicago outbid them without seemingly batting an eye.

    Sure, there is a notion that Craig Kimbrel -- the best reliever on the market -- could fall back into the Sox' financial comfort zone, but it's still hard to imagine that sweet spot is anything other than three years or less. And even with the logical suitors becoming increasingly more difficult to decipher for the 30-year-old closer, it still wouldn't be a shock at all to see the likes of St. Louis, Atlanta, the Angels or another mystery club pop up with a four-year deal.

    Then there is the other top tier guy, Adam Ottavino. The guess is that the Red Sox will probably fall short in any pursuit of the righty due to the simple reason that there will be other teams that want him more. Perhaps he is the one guy Dombrowski is ready to outbid teams for, but Major League Baseball murmurs suggest that doesn't seem to be the way things are trending.

    What is working for the Red Sox is the availability of other serviceable relievers who could certainly fit a seventh-, eighth- or even ninth-inning need.

    Here are some of the names still out there:

    Cody Allen, Brad Boxberger, Brad Brach, Greg Holland, Bud Norris, Adam Warren and Justin Wilson.

    All imperfect options, but such is the life of a team that will be forced more than ever to identify where money is needed and where it isn't. Signing one of the aforementioned options will represent a myriad of gambles, even when it comes to paying whatever it might cost to keep Kimbrel in the closer role for the next few years. When it comes to late-inning relief, there are no certainties.

    It's looking more and more like the Red Sox would rather roll their dice with those who they know, and that includes the potential of minor-leaguers such as Durbin Feltman and/or Travis Lakins.

    The way the Red Sox are undoubtedly looking at it is this way -- the uncertainty of not having the financial space to keep the likes of J.D. Martinez, Mookie Betts, Xander Bogaerts, Chris Sale or Rick Porcello around would be a whole lot more uncomfortable than missing out on a level or relief pitcher they might already have.


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    Barnes could surprise me but I'm anxious about trusting him to close.
    If history tells us anything, the path to redeption for any bad baseball team is marked with a deep rotation of durable starters, a world class defense in both infield and outfield, a lineup that can generate runs in more than one way, a bullpen that won't steal defeat from the jaws of victory, and a top end catcher to hold the whole package together. These are the conditions by which victory is achieved, anything that does not accomplish these objectives is a waste of resources.

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    Looks like at this point like some dead money is hurting us a bit this Off-Season.
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