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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    [B]MLB.com's top 100 by team and rankings....

    1- BOS: 79
    Woot! We broke the top 100.

    We are moving up in the world!

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    MLB.com Top 100 by Team

    9 SD
    7 CWS
    5 TOR
    5 HOU
    4 TB (all top 40)
    4 ATL (all top 40)
    4 CIN
    4 LAD

    3 of these 8 teams won their division last year.


    So, it's possible to build a contender and still have a strong farm system. Interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimmi View Post
    So, it's possible to build a contender and still have a strong farm system. Interesting.
    Let's not forget that Houston's blueprint for success was a total tank job.
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    And the Braves won their division in 2018, yes, but that followed seasons of 67-95, 68-94 and 72-90. A wee bit of a tank job there, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    And the Braves won their division in 2018, yes, but that followed seasons of 67-95, 68-94 and 72-90. A wee bit of a tank job there, too.

    But they also lost a bunch of prospects in some illegal signing scandal, so imagine where their farm could be...

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    What's the excuse for the high-spending Dodgers being tied for 5th with the most top 100 prospects?

    I know none are above #35, but they went to the WS AND have a strong farm and several recent grads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    What's the excuse for the high-spending Dodgers being tied for 5th with the most top 100 prospects?

    I know none are above #35, but they went to the WS AND have a strong farm and several recent grads.
    Wow, one exception. There usually is at least one exception to the norm.
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    Sure, let's moan and groan about not being the Dodgers or the Braves. Even though their last championships were 1988 and 1995, respectively.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Wow, one exception. There usually is at least one exception to the norm.
    There is simply put not one single blueprint that leads to success. It is extremely narrow minded to think that there is. We have a great organization in Boston. I'll support any direction they happen to go in. I'm not quite ready to change the word on my fan card from Boston to Tampa just yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Wow, one exception. There usually is at least one exception to the norm.
    Hey, we had 3 last place finishes in 4 years. One could call that a "tank", although it wasn't.

    Yes, there are exceptions, but the fact remains, 3 of the top 8 farms saw their ML club win the division. One won the WS 2 years ago and another made it to the WS last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Hey, we had 3 last place finishes in 4 years. One could call that a "tank", although it wasn't.

    Yes, there are exceptions, but the fact remains, 3 of the top 8 farms saw their ML club win the division. One won the WS 2 years ago and another made it to the WS last year.
    Are you saying you would rather have the Dodgers or Braves record and farm system over ours? Would you give up the 2013 and 2018 rings in exchange?

    Because it sounds like that's what you're saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimmi View Post
    So, it's possible to build a contender and still have a strong farm system. Interesting.
    You look at MLB's team rankings (which weights prospect quality)

    The ten playoff teams rank:

    Cubs (29), Red Sox (28), Yankees (24), Brewers (23), Indians (19), Rockies (18), Dodgers (11), A's (9), Astros (5), Braves (2)

    So 6 teams in the bottom half of prospect rankings, 4 in the top half. So the correlation of this year's prospect rankings aren't that useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Let's not forget that Houston's blueprint for success was a total tank job.
    Some teams have tanked in order to build their strong farm system.

    We did not have to do that in order to build our strong farm system. We had a strong farm in place, along with a strong core of MLB ready players. It was not necessary to destroy the farm in order to build a championship team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sk7326 View Post
    You look at MLB's team rankings (which weights prospect quality)

    The ten playoff teams rank:

    Cubs (29), Red Sox (28), Yankees (24), Brewers (23), Indians (19), Rockies (18), Dodgers (11), A's (9), Astros (5), Braves (2)

    So 6 teams in the bottom half of prospect rankings, 4 in the top half. So the correlation of this year's prospect rankings aren't that useful.
    All I'm saying is that it's possible to do, especially when spending money like the Red Sox have done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimmi View Post
    Some teams have tanked in order to build their strong farm system.

    We did not have to do that in order to build our strong farm system. We had a strong farm in place, along with a strong core of MLB ready players. It was not necessary to destroy the farm in order to build a championship team.
    We did not "tank" to build our farm to where it was before DD got a hold of it, but we were helped by getting higher draft picks during our 3 last place seasons and a system that rewarded richer teams, at times, with comp picks and loose restrictions on international splurging.

    We got Michael Kopech as a comp pick for losing Ellsbury, which was an addition by subtraction to begin with.''

    We got Beni with the 8th pick in 2015 due to doing so poorly in 2014.

    We got Groome, Dalbec, Shawaryn and Chatham in 2016 thanks to higher picks due to 2015's poor showing.

    Moncada, Devers, Espinoza, Margot and several others were snatched from the international market during the years leading up to our high farm ranking under Ben.



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