No, and I knew this was coming. But oldtimer keeps listing the weight at 225.Originally Posted by notin
Watches Vazquez get traded and assumes starting role.
Traded for pitching depth, as DD desires.
Traded for non-descript minor leaguer
DFA - claimed by another team. (Remember he is out of options.)
DFA - clears waivers and signs MiLB contract with Boston
Retires from baseball
No, and I knew this was coming. But oldtimer keeps listing the weight at 225.
Championships since purchase by John Henry group: Red Sox 4 Yankees 1
The Red Sox are 8-1 in their last 9 postseason games against the Yankees.
I agree that none of the 3 are untouchable. I think the one that goes is the one that Dombrowski gets the best deal for.
IMO, that would be Vaz.
I'm not onboard with trading Vaz or Leon.
I completely agree on both counts.
While I think Vaz would get the best return, I really hope that neither he or Leon is traded.
IMHO Leon has a body type that is subject to breaking down. While any player can get injured its less likely to happen to a younger player who is in decent physical shape. The demands of catching could wear Leon down...maybe this year...maybe next. But a guy in his physical condition is an injury waiting to happen...IMO. I would trade him while his trade value as a good defensive catcher is perhaps at a high point and keep Vas and Swi.
i'm not disagreeing with you here but saying that Leon's or Vazquez's trade value for that matter is at a high, I'm thinking isn't really saying very much. Teams that have a need for a good backup might be interested but as a front liner going forward not so much. Our catchers don't hurt us because they can catch - pretty important for a catcher. T really don't see them as being particularly special at all. If one goes, it won't be like suffering an insurmountable blow of any sort. If they were that widely respected one of them would likely have been gone quite awhile ago.
We only need Leon with Sale and Price. That's 60-65 starts only.
It might take Swihart or Vaz a long time to build up to what Leon has established with them.
Maybe it can happen much quicker than I think, then again, maybe it never happens.
There's a reason Swihart has never caught Leon. There's a reason Sale has been caught by Leon in 49 games (2.42 ERA) to Vaz's 11 games (3.40). Maybe these numbers are insignificant, but I, for one, am not wanting to it put to a test.
Vaz has caught Price more than Leon, and that switch doesn't scare me as much, but Leon does get more from Price:
w Leon: 30 games (2.83)
w Vaz: 47 games (4.32)
w Swihart: 2 games (5.73) Only two games is telling as well.
Certainly losing Leon's bat would almost certainly bring a plus on offense, but personally, I'd like to keep Vaz and Leon.
I don't trust Leon for more than 80 games, let alone 100+, so trading Vaz would scare me more. I wouldn't be crushed, if we traded Leon, but I just don't see us getting something for him that would make up for the probable loss from Sale and Price.
It probably comes down to who you want to keep . Vasquez has only a small trade value . You would not get very much in return. Swihart probably has the same or less . Leon , a 30 year old , light hitting defensive specialist , has little to no trade value . Take your pick . But it comes down to who you want to keep , not who might bring back something in a trade .
The Red Sox should mercifully designate Blake Swihart for assignment in hopes of finding a trade partner. If Swihart clears waivers he can get regular playing time at Pawtucket to establish his trade value. If another club claims Swihart, Red Sox fans will likely forget him in short order.
Last edited by harmony; 02-17-2019 at 11:26 PM.
Exactly.
Doesn't that seem odd to say about the one catcher the Soxhave who hasn't missed any significant time with injury? Leon was the team leader is games caught last year and in the past 3 years...
I think both are factors...
I do not place as much significance in the numbers you have posted as you do. i suppose that in Swihart's case they likely mean something but with respect to the other two not so much. Swihart's numbers I suspect would improve significantly if given the opportunity. Don't get me wrong, i do not think that our catchers hurt us nor do I think that we are in need of an upgrade there at this time. i do feel that trying to project them as anything that cannot be replaced is a little silly. I would even suggest that one of the reasons Swihart is still kicking around is that DD just isn't convinced that ultimately he could be a major upgrade over the other two. It is not an issue - it is just something to talk about.
Oh Dombrowski definitely likes something abou Swihart. He’s been trying to force Blake into the lineup for a few years now...
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