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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    I'm not convinced that it's a good strategy to start out with an ask that is obviously far-fetched, like JD's last year.

    I think it's possible that if Kimbrel had been looking for something like 4/70 he'd already be in uniform getting ready for the season.

    But he also might be wondering “could I have gotten 6 years and $100mill?”

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    But he also might be wondering “could I have gotten 6 years and $100mill?”
    That's possible. But I think he and his agent may have failed to take into account how much Craig's signs of decline would affect his market in this day of metrics-driven front offices.

    Or to use one of those cute little expressions, they did a bad job 'reading the tea leaves'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    That's possible. But I think he and his agent may have failed to take into account how much Craig's signs of decline would affect his market in this day of metrics-driven front offices.

    Or to use one of those cute little expressions, they did a bad job 'reading the tea leaves'.

    Clearly they did.

    None of that changes what Kimbrel might have thought he was worth, however...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Should have just taken the QO.

    I say offer it to him again. Use the strategy found on shampoo instructions

    Lather:
    Bring back Kimbrel at 1 year $17.9mill.
    Offer Josh Fields the same money he agreed to in LA ($2.2mill)

    Rinse:
    DFA Workman (or Thornburg, but I like Workman less)
    DFA Leon

    That just leaves the final step: Repeat...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Should have just taken the QO.
    Remember when the Barves and Phillies were all over him in the off-season? The Natinals even joined in at some point. Kimbrel gotta be thinking what the heck is going on.

    Right now he should consider signing for $10M. The season opens in 2 weeks, he will most definitely will not be ready.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    I say offer it to him again. Use the strategy found on shampoo instructions

    Lather:
    Bring back Kimbrel at 1 year $17.9mill.
    Offer Josh Fields the same money he agreed to in LA ($2.2mill)

    Rinse:
    DFA Workman (or Thornburg, but I like Workman less)
    DFA Leon

    That just leaves the final step: Repeat...
    Adding the 50% tax, what would that cost Henry?

    Rince the soap out of you eyes.

    Tell me it's worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Adding the 50% tax, what would that cost Henry?

    Rince the soap out of you eyes.

    Tell me it's worth it.

    For one year?

    The taxes the Sox would pay would still be roughly equal to what they’re paying Rusney Castillo to crush International League pitching.

    Except the taxes would only be for one year...

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    ... is nearing a decision, per Rotoworld.

    No mention of the team beyond the rumored Nationals, who reportedly bowed out earlier this week...
    4 days and no decision. I wonder what Rotoworld was referring to. My guess is "plastic"...

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    Teams breaking camp, hes still a FA.

    Talk about bad advice from your agent.

    Hes already 2/3 weeks......maybe even 4 weeks away from being MLB ready (depending on his offseason workouts). No team is paying him HALF of what he was looking for AAV.

    He really screwed himself.

    Pigs get fat. Hogs get slaughtered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCM33 View Post
    Teams breaking camp, hes still a FA.

    Talk about bad advice from your agent.

    Hes already 2/3 weeks......maybe even 4 weeks away from being MLB ready (depending on his offseason workouts). No team is paying him HALF of what he was looking for AAV.

    He really screwed himself.

    Pigs get fat. Hogs get slaughtered.
    Kimbrel just got Stephen Drew'd.
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    ( I won't say the "C word.")

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Kimbrel just got Stephen Drew'd.

    Except that Drew didn’t go unsigned because he was asking for record-setting money for a player at his position. Drew just didn’t stand out over other available options who didn’t have draft pick compensation attached.

    Kimbrel (or more accurately, Kimbrel’s agent) completely misread the market for closers this year, and apparently didn’t budge enough from initial demands. Same as Keuchel. Beyond their own obstinance, there is no reason for either pitcher to still be available...

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Except that Drew didn’t go unsigned because he was asking for record-setting money for a player at his position. Drew just didn’t stand out over other available options who didn’t have draft pick compensation attached.

    Kimbrel (or more accurately, Kimbrel’s agent) completely misread the market for closers this year, and apparently didn’t budge enough from initial demands. Same as Keuchel. Beyond their own obstinance, there is no reason for either pitcher to still be available...
    I stand by my point. Drew should have read the market enough to know that no one was going to dump a 1st rounder just to sign him.
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    the leprechaun may take a bat to his agent. in which case maybe we see CK in the california penal league?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    I stand by my point. Drew should have read the market enough to know that no one was going to dump a 1st rounder just to sign him.

    Be fair to Drew. That was in the early years of the QO system and no one really knew how protective teams would be if their picks while signing free agents. Teams weren’t all that protective of them in the previous system...

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Be fair to Drew. That was in the early years of the QO system and no one really knew how protective teams would be if their picks while signing free agents. Teams weren’t all that protective of them in the previous system...
    Why be fair to a greedy player? He did it to himself.

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