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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry33 View Post
    Even a better question what did Rick Porcello ever do in baseball to justify his 4 year $82.5 mil dollar contract? That's just plain stupidity on the Red Sox part you can't throw mil dollar contracts on mediocre players or pitchers.

    Really? Still?

    Porcello positioned himself to reach free agency by age 26 with no history of injury and a track record of pitching 180-200 IP per year, which absolutely has value. He was paid for what he was going to do, and despite your stubbornness, he came through for the first 3 seasons. So drop it. Porcello’s contract expires in a couple weeks. The fact that it took you 3 years and 11 months to rant so frequently about a 4 year deal does mean that it was worth it for the majority of the time.

    On the other hand, Eovaldi was young, but not as young as Porcello. And also had a lengthy history of injuries and two T.J. surgeries in his past. There was really nothing there to justify his contract at all. He was neither a great pitcher nor an innings eater. He had a great fastball and was a star in the World Series, but I think that’s it. And this is a much bigger deal than Porcello’s expiring contract, unless you hate Mookie Betts...

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Really? Still?

    Porcello positioned himself to reach free agency by age 26 with no history of injury and a track record of pitching 180-200 IP per year, which absolutely has value. He was paid for what he was going to do, and despite your stubbornness, he came through for the first 3 seasons. So drop it. Porcello’s contract expires in a couple weeks. The fact that it took you 3 years and 11 months to rant so frequently about a 4 year deal does mean that it was worth it for the majority of the time.

    On the other hand, Eovaldi was young, but not as young as Porcello. And also had a lengthy history of injuries and two T.J. surgeries in his past. There was really nothing there to justify his contract at all. He was neither a great pitcher nor an innings eater. He had a great fastball and was a star in the World Series, but I think that’s it. And this is a much bigger deal than Porcello’s expiring contract, unless you hate Mookie Betts...
    Just look at Porcello record other than a inning eater he was nothing if they're not quality inning it's garbage He's nothing more than a J A Happ type pitcher who also flirted with some seasons close to 200 IP.

    Doesn't matter how many shit inning a guy pitches they are still shit innings with an elevated ERA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a700hitter View Post
    I don't. I think it is dumb. DD made a terrible decision not building a BP this year, but as has been pointed out, the starting pitchers (a strength of 2018) fell well short on production. Also, they victimized themselves with the ill-advised "let's pretend the season starts May 1st" strategy. I think the dismissal was very premature.
    It wasn't just the bullpen this year. DD just seemed to be kind of asleep at the wheel. More evidence is the fact the biggest 'reinforcements' to our lineup late in the year have been Chris Owings and Gorkys Hernandez.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jung View Post
    Nate's 7 innings of glory in an otherwise entirely unspectacular career.
    jung, if you're going to criticize the Eovaldi signing, that's fine. But stop with the '7 innings' crap. Use actual facts. Eovaldi had a good half-season last year and then he pitched 22.1 excellent innings in the postseason - not just 7.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry33 View Post
    Just look at Porcello record other than a inning eater he was nothing if they're not quality inning it's garbage He's nothing more than a J A Happ type pitcher who also flirted with some seasons close to 200 IP.

    Doesn't matter how many shit inning a guy pitches they are still shit innings with an elevated ERA.
    A better way to evaluate a guy like Porcello might be Quality Starts and Quality Start %.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry33 View Post
    Just look at Porcello record other than a inning eater he was nothing if they're not quality inning it's garbage He's nothing more than a J A Happ type pitcher who also flirted with some seasons close to 200 IP.

    Doesn't matter how many shit inning a guy pitches they are still shit innings with an elevated ERA.
    And how much does Happ make? He signed a contract for $17mill when he was 10 years older than Porcello. And he won't win a Cy Young award on it, either. You're again arguing that Porcello actually was paid fairly. Again, it took you over 3 years and 11 months to make this rant on a contract that has only 2 weeks left. That speaks volumes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Really? Still?

    Porcello positioned himself to reach free agency by age 26 with no history of injury and a track record of pitching 180-200 IP per year, which absolutely has value. He was paid for what he was going to do, and despite your stubbornness, he came through for the first 3 seasons. So drop it. Porcello’s contract expires in a couple weeks. The fact that it took you 3 years and 11 months to rant so frequently about a 4 year deal does mean that it was worth it for the majority of the time.

    On the other hand, Eovaldi was young, but not as young as Porcello. And also had a lengthy history of injuries and two T.J. surgeries in his past. There was really nothing there to justify his contract at all. He was neither a great pitcher nor an innings eater. He had a great fastball and was a star in the World Series, but I think that’s it. And this is a much bigger deal than Porcello’s expiring contract, unless you hate Mookie Betts...
    larry's just happy dorian skipped by florida.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    It wasn't just the bullpen this year. DD just seemed to be kind of asleep at the wheel. More evidence is the fact the biggest 'reinforcements' to our lineup late in the year have been Chris Owings and Gorkys Hernandez.
    nathan eovaldi will be our closer as soon as he can take the mound!
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    nathan eovaldi will be our closer as soon as he can take the mound!
    Yeah, that was a dud. He will be a starter coming into the spring in 2020. No reason for him not to be. Try to build his value
    The rebuild is complete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry33 View Post
    Just look at Porcello record other than a inning eater he was nothing if they're not quality inning it's garbage He's nothing more than a J A Happ type pitcher who also flirted with some seasons close to 200 IP.

    Doesn't matter how many shit inning a guy pitches they are still shit innings with an elevated ERA.
    Boston righthander Rick Porcello has posted 10.7 fWAR, valued at $85.6 million, so far under his four-year, $82.5 million contract with the Red Sox:

    https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.as...date=&enddate=

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    Quote Originally Posted by harmony View Post
    Boston righthander Rick Porcello has posted 10.7 fWAR, valued at $85.6 million, so far under his four-year, $82.5 million contract with the Red Sox:

    https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.as...date=&enddate=
    We've already tried that with Larry...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry33 View Post
    Just look at Porcello record other than a inning eater he was nothing if they're not quality inning it's garbage He's nothing more than a J A Happ type pitcher who also flirted with some seasons close to 200 IP.

    Doesn't matter how many shit inning a guy pitches they are still shit innings with an elevated ERA.
    Tell that to the bullpen arms...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slasher9 View Post
    larry's just happy dorian skipped by florida.....
    Larry isn't Babe, Slash, I can guarantee that. Babe is one of a kind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slasher9 View Post
    nathan eovaldi will be our closer as soon as he can take the mound!
    Eovaldi is a rare freak who is capable of throwing 98mph for 6 or 7 innings despite a relatively average build by MLB pitchers' standards. Or maybe, he is a prime example of why a lot of pitchers don't do this, as it has clearly taken a significant toll on his arm...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slasher9 View Post
    nathan eovaldi will be our closer as soon as he can take the mound!
    In retrospect, statements like this one and 'there are no offseason surgeries planned that I know of' tend to support the whole 'disconnect' theme in DD's departure...
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