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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    I'm aware. But if someone does it this year, does that statement change from true to false?
    False, as they will no longer be the only team to ever do it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    False, as they will no longer be the only team to ever do it...
    I disagree, because that statement is expressed in past tense and only applied to the conditions that existed at the time. It's not negated by future events.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    I disagree, because that statement is expressed in past tense and only applied to the conditions that existed at the time. It's not negated by future events.
    But you’re wrong.

    First off, the definition of the word “ever” is “at all times,” and is not limited to the present.

    And second, as you made your original statement in 2019, both 1996 and 1997 would be considered the past anyway. By your argument, saying “Abraham Lincoln was the most recent US President” is a true statement since it was phrased in the past tense. And hey, in reality it was only negated by future events. But is it true?

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    But you’re wrong.

    First off, the definition of the word “ever” is “at all times,” and is not limited to the present.

    And second, as you made your original statement in 2019, both 1996 and 1997 would be considered the past anyway. By your argument, saying “Abraham Lincoln was the most recent US President” is a true statement since it was phrased in the past tense. And hey, in reality it was only negated by future events. But is it true?
    You need to take into account the CONTEXT of my statement. I was clearly only talking about WHAT HAPPENED IN 1973, starting with the fact that runs increased by .52.

    I think we need a third opinion to break the deadlock. I nominate Kimmi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    You need to take into account the CONTEXT of my statement. I was clearly only talking about WHAT HAPPENED IN 1973, starting with the fact that runs increased by .52.

    I think we need a third opinion to break the deadlock. I nominate Kimmi.
    No, we need you admit you made a mistake and to realize they stopped being the “only team ever” in 1995, long before your statement. Had you said “first team” or “only team at the time,” then your point would be correct. End of story...

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    No, we need you admit you made a mistake and to realize they stopped being the “only team ever” in 1995, long before your statement. Had you said “first team” or “only team at the time,” then your point would be correct. End of story...
    Nope. Still disagreeing with you.

    I already admitted that I failed to look up if there were teams who did it later.

    What I'm arguing about here is semantics. I don't think you're an expert on that subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    You need to take into account the CONTEXT of my statement. I was clearly only talking about WHAT HAPPENED IN 1973, starting with the fact that runs increased by .52.

    I think we need a third opinion to break the deadlock. I nominate Kimmi.
    Nomination accepted.

    First off, I'd like to state that I'm surprised this debate is even still going on.

    That said, because of the phrase "at the time", I would have to agree with Bell. Sorry Notin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimmi View Post
    Nomination accepted.

    First off, I'd like to state that I'm surprised this debate is even still going on.

    That said, because of the phrase "at the time", I would have to agree with Bell. Sorry Notin.
    His original statement did not say “at the time” and simply said “only team ever.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    His original statement did not say “at the time” and simply said “only team ever.”
    But it said 'became', a word that is in the past tense, meaning at the time.

    Keep trying, man, you get full points for stubborn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    His original statement did not say “at the time” and simply said “only team ever.”
    My bad, I must have read "at the time" in another post. Either way, "at the time" is implied because he is talking about a certain year in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimmi View Post
    My bad, I must have read "at the time" in another post. Either way, "at the time" is implied because he is talking about a certain year in the past.
    Actually it’s not. The phrase “at the time”’ means the exact opposite of his chosen word “ever.”

    Just remember. Bellhorn nominated you and dragged you into this..

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Actually it’s not. The phrase “at the time”’ means the exact opposite of his chosen word “ever.”

    Just remember. Bellhorn nominated you and dragged you into this..
    Will you "ever" give up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Will you "ever" give up?
    I gave up at the time. Isn’t that the same thing?


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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Actually it’s not. The phrase “at the time”’ means the exact opposite of his chosen word “ever.”

    Just remember. Bellhorn nominated you and dragged you into this..
    Nope. They were the only team ever at the time. Makes perfect sense to me.

    And with that, I will leave this debate as quickly as I entered it.

    Unless I get nominated to come back in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimmi View Post
    Nope. They were the only team ever at the time. Makes perfect sense to me.

    And with that, I will leave this debate as quickly as I entered it.

    Unless I get nominated to come back in.
    Thanks Kimmi. I promise not to call on you unless it's an argument emergency.
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