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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    He constructed a pretty good 2013 ML roster by signing moderate FAs to shorter term deals.
    Interestingly enough, no rumors of Larry involved in any of that roster building exercise.

    We literally went from Ben, who over valued prospects..... to desperate Dave, who vastly undervalued prospects. And oh by the way, desperate dave left us with a non-playoff team and the worst minor league system in baseball.

    Now “hang ‘em chiam” has to trade our way to respectability. Can he get more than 30 cents on the dollar for any of our sadly depressed assets?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Cook View Post
    Interestingly enough, no rumors of Larry involved in any of that roster building exercise.

    We literally went from Ben, who over valued prospects..... to desperate Dave, who vastly undervalued prospects. And oh by the way, desperate dave left us with a non-playoff team and the worst minor league system in baseball.

    Now “hang ‘em chiam” has to trade our way to respectability. Can he get more than 30 cents on the dollar for any of our sadly depressed assets?
    This whole "over-valued" prospect thing is unfounded. We'll never know one way or another, but I'm convinced he'd have traded several top prospects that next winter, if he was given another year.

    He also did trade some prospects.
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    Congrats to Ben. He's a good guy, and we won't have to worry about him drafting good pitchers in front of us.

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    Heard on Chris Russo MLB channel BC hired as Bucs new GM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elktonnick View Post
    Heard on Chris Russo MLB channel BC hired as Bucs new GM.
    MLBTR reports he got the job, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a700hitter View Post
    Congrats to Ben. He's a good guy, and we won't have to worry about him drafting good pitchers in front of us.
    How long until Pittsburgh realizes that Ben is stuffing his bra?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    How long until Pittsburgh realizes that Ben is stuffing his bra?
    During hazing week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a700hitter View Post
    Congrats to Ben. He's a good guy, and we won't have to worry about him drafting good pitchers in front of us.
    Well, he did draft Michael Kopech, Logan Allen and Jalen Beeks. It's just that his replacement traded them all away...

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Well, he did draft Michael Kopech, Logan Allen and Jalen Beeks. It's just that his replacement traded them all away...
    And, all the bad signings after 2013 made people forget about Vic, Uehara, David Ross, Napoli I and Drew I signed for the 2013 championship (None became 5 year albatrosses). Plus, he arguable made the best trade in Red Sox history when he dumped CC & Beckett on the Dodgers (and AGon declined sharply not long afterwards, too).
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    He constructed a pretty good 2013 ML roster by signing moderate FAs to shorter term deals.
    Exactly.

    Which, IMO, is the way to sign FAs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Well, he did draft Michael Kopech, Logan Allen and Jalen Beeks. It's just that his replacement traded them all away...
    He also drafted Ty Buttrey and signed IFAs: Espinoza, D Hernandez & Gerson Bautista. (More may end up developing into ML pitchers in the next few years.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimmi View Post
    Exactly.

    Which, IMO, is the way to sign FAs.
    While Vic declined sharply afterwards, it was only for 2 years after 2013 not 5 or 6.
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    Congrats to my Ben.

    That is all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    While Vic declined sharply afterwards, it was only for 2 years after 2013 not 5 or 6.
    That's exactly the point. If a contract doesn't work out, it's only for a couple of years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    And, all the bad signings after 2013 made people forget about Vic, Uehara, David Ross, Napoli I and Drew I signed for the 2013 championship (None became 5 year albatrosses). Plus, he arguable made the best trade in Red Sox history when he dumped CC & Beckett on the Dodgers (and AGon declined sharply not long afterwards, too).
    Let’s not go overboard with the “best trade in team history.” It was a big deal, and certainly had to be a tough sell. And the Sox did shed a lot of salary, but they also got absolutely nothing back.

    When it comes to best trades in team history, this one falls far, far short of that one with Pavano and Armas.

    And that other guy. Peter Martin? Or something like that...

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