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    Quote Originally Posted by 5GoldGloves:OF,75 View Post
    So, Bloom has basically replaced all the more expensive guys he could spare for cheaper options: Porcello, Holt, and Leon for Perez, Peraza, and Plawecki... Plus, Moreland and Pearce for Chavis and maybe Dalbec.

    If this was a baseball card trade, it would be commons for commons, all doubles. Don't want to use up any valuable resources while leaving room in your binder for that gem mint Betts autograph (on a contract).
    So Chavis and maybe Dalbec will be playing first base? Been one of my big questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    If we assume the Sox pay the rest of the way up to $60mill, Pollock (plus $9mill) works. Sox save about $16mill AAV and get a good, but oft-injured, player back. If LA is interested, so should Bloom be.

    Herrera would take an addition $40mill, giving the Sox an AAV reduction of about $11mill, barly better than just paying the money. The Phillies would very likely take (alot) less just to be rid of Herrera, but for those same reasons, maybe the Sox should think twice here.

    A straight up swap for Upton only saved about $10mill, same neighborhood as the suggested $60mill cash payout. But if Upton is on his game, it might be worth it. Although replacing Price might cut into the savings a bit and make the actual reset tough.

    Belt is flat out not worth it. His $14,6 mil AAV salary plus the additional $26mill ($8.7mill per year) is worse than just paying Price to go away...
    The advantage of taking Herrera would be to fill an OF/DH slot, so we can trade JBJ and have a replacement- not just the tax savings.

    Belt fill the 1B opening, but the savings are not much.

    The Pollock/Maeda for Eovaldi/JBJ deals comes out almost dead even on the trade simulator (no money exchanging hands).

    Pollock is owed $51M/3. Eovaldi is owed $51M/3.

    JBJ will likely get $11.5M/1. Maeda is owed $12.5M/4.

    The total money is about even, but the tax cost savings is about $13M in 2020.

    I'd do this deal in a heartbeat, but it alone does not get us under the line. That's why trading Price & JBJ makes more sense.

    Price & JBJ for Pollock & Joe Kelly was accepted, but I doubt the Dodgers agree to it.

    We'd save $27M on the tax line, so we could afford to pay some of Price's deal, but how much would LA demand?

    The actual money would be:

    $96M/3 Price
    $11M/1 JBJ

    $51M/2 Pollock
    $23M/2 Kelly

    $107M to $74M in 2020 but $$96M to $74M in 2021. It's 2022 that would burn LA.
    Last edited by moonslav59; 01-02-2020 at 05:19 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Speier inferred on twitter that while the Sox aren't shopping Betts, they are listening to any offers that come in.

    Maybe they end up dumping betts instead of Price if they can't move Price for what they want?

    If they are really that concerned with payroll, they should move Betts and Price and reset.
    If we trade Betts, we might as well totally rebuild by trading anyone who has 1 year left or is not part of a longer term rebuild:

    JBJ
    JD (will opt out)
    Price
    Eovaldi
    Workman (FA after 2020)

    Maybe even FAs to be after 2021:
    ERod
    Barnes
    Hembree
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    If we trade Betts, we might as well totally rebuild by trading anyone who has 1 year left or is not part of a longer term rebuild:

    JBJ
    JD (will opt out)
    Price
    Eovaldi
    Workman (FA after 2020)

    Maybe even FAs to be after 2021:
    ERod
    Barnes
    Hembree
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    Good one.
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    The White Sox DFAd long time Notin favorite Tayron Guerrero. Make your move, Bloom...

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    If we trade Betts, we might as well totally rebuild by trading anyone who has 1 year left or is not part of a longer term rebuild:

    JBJ
    JD (will opt out)
    Price
    Eovaldi
    Workman (FA after 2020)

    Maybe even FAs to be after 2021:
    ERod
    Barnes
    Hembree
    Then might as well trade Xander and Devers because if all these guys are unloaded the Sox will be awful for 3-4 years .
    I don’t have the answers but for the Sox to reset and be competitive in the near future they need whatever fragile pitchers they keep to suddenly become injury free and for someone like Dalbec or Casas to develop into a star in addition to some Mil
    Pitchers to hit it big

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    The clock is now post holiday ticking with only 41 days to P& C report date, followed by position players a week later. The disposition of JBJr still in the wind, and no significant additions on the public horizon. There is a thought that despite the nosedive in 2019 thata team similar to the 2018 crew could win 90+ games if the 3 starters besides Erod can go a near full season. But that doesn't address nor solve the lux tax consideration. Likely that some potential acquirers of JBJr want the certainty of the arb process completed first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monster24 View Post
    Then might as well trade Xander and Devers because if all these guys are unloaded the Sox will be awful for 3-4 years .
    I donít have the answers but for the Sox to reset and be competitive in the near future they need whatever fragile pitchers they keep to suddenly become injury free and for someone like Dalbec or Casas to develop into a star in addition to some Mil
    Pitchers to hit it big
    Not necessarily. We could resign Betts and maybe even JD. We'd have reset the tax.

    If we miss out on Betts and & JD, in theory, we could spend up to $39.99M over the lux line for 2021.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vegasbob View Post
    ... if the 3 starters besides Erod can go a near full season ...
    Can someone remind me who the 5th starter is again now?

    Odds are that one of the oft-injured 3 (Sale, Price, Eovaldi) will make most of their starts, one will make about half their starts, and one will miss most of the season due to injury. Having all 3 healthy for 2020 seems unlikely. But even if they are, will they all be effective?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Not necessarily. We could resign Betts and maybe even JD. We'd have reset the tax.

    If we miss out on Betts and & JD, in theory, we could spend up to $39.99M over the lux line for 2021.
    That is very likely one of the scenarios being discussed in the Sox front office. Reset, hold onto the best young core players and make a major effort starting in 2021. One very lean year might also get us a very good draft position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenmeister View Post
    Can someone remind me who the 5th starter is again now?

    Odds are that one of the oft-injured 3 (Sale, Price, Eovaldi) will make most of their starts, one will make about half their starts, and one will miss most of the season due to injury. Having all 3 healthy for 2020 seems unlikely. But even if they are, will they all be effective?
    If healthy...

    1) Sale
    2) ERod
    3) Price
    4) Eovaldi
    5) Perez
    6) Velazquez
    7) Shawaryn
    8) R Weber
    9) K Hart
    10) D Reyes
    Not on 40 man: Houck/Johnson/McGrath/Kent/Mata/Wade

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldtimer View Post
    That is very likely one of the scenarios being discussed in the Sox front office. Reset, hold onto the best young core players and make a major effort starting in 2021. One very lean year might also get us a very good draft position.
    Trading Betts and then resigning him makes a lot of sense for 2021 and beyond, but it all but ends any hopes for 2020 while hurting ticket sales and viewership, this year. If we deal Betts, why hang onto JD? He's opting out, regardless. (Again, we could bring him back, too.)

    Dump Price and/or Eovaldi to open up some spending room for 2021 and 2022.

    I'm not saying I want to trade Betts, but if we do, then just go for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
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