If there is even the smallest amount of truth to the respective values at BTV, moving Martinez is almost pointless. The Sopx can reset, have a gaping hole in the offense, and get pretty much nothing going forward for 2021 and beyond from the trade. The only comfort there is the Sox also got essentially nothing from the Punto Trade except financial relief and still won a World Series title 14 months later...Originally Posted by mvp 78
The only way to move Price is to include a decent prospect like Chavis or Dalbec (maybe that's the difficult part to which Kennedy was referring). I don't think including other MLB veterans -- even guys like Mookie or JBJ -- in a Price deal will work, because too many costly salaries will be too much for another team to absorb.
Including Mookie to deal Price would be flat out stupid.
First of all, what team is so poorly run that they would take on $96mill worth of Price for one year of Mookie?
Second, what team is willing to add $60mill in payroll for two players, knowing one is already in decline?
Third, why would the Sox kill the value of one of their better trade assets by pairing him with one of their worst trade assets, especially with a farm that’s already been stripmined?
If we reset the tax, this year, it won't be a 4th rounder.
Sometimes, mid season desperation brings greater returns, but trading Betts in the winter allows the team to get a comp pick, if he bolts after 2020. That has real value, these days.
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
You're downplaying the legacy of the Bills.
They are desperate for a ring. I could see a Betts + Price deal with LA happening, or maybe Betts + Eovaldi.
If we could trade Betts & Price to LA and JBJ + Eovaldi to Houston, we could start the rebuild very quickly and actually sign some decent players this winter while leaving room to make a run at Betts for 2021. (We could even deal JD to CWS.)
I'm not saying I'm for this idea, but it could jump start the rebuild.
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
Creating large budget spaces can be better than getting capable players back in trade. 2013 proved that.
It doesn't mean it will always work out like that, but resetting in 2020 would be a big boost to any rebuild.
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
The reasons are obvious.
From LA's POV: They could send some salary back to BOS to partially offset the Price cost (Joc Pederson and/or AJ Pollock plus a prospect).
From BOS's POV: If including Betts helps us create a large budget space for 2020 and beyond, that clearly adds further value- maybe more than an iffy but talented prospect would bring back by trading Betts alone for Pederson and a prospect.
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
It's not the "only way."
We could maybe trade price for Wil Myers straight up. We save some money and fill the 1B/OF opening we have.
With the money saved (assuming we also dump JBJ) we can sign a more reliable SP'er.
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
How much Cash the Sox will have to eat, to move either Price or Eovaldi. At 17 for Eovaldi, wont have to eat much is my guess. You can lose 1 not both. Got to have Pitching. Otherwise don't matter what Betts or JD does.
Then how about we say the Dodgers are the closest thing in MLB right now, or that they are well on their way to being the Bills of MLB?
If you want to save cash, I don't think you try bringing back $60M of Wil Myers dead money. Pass. At that point, I'd rather just keep Price.
A Price-Myers trade makes so much sense for both teams, if it was going to happen it probably already should have. I do wonder if the cost of replacing Price is a bigger factor than we realize...
Myers is expensive for the rest of his deal, but in terms of Average Annual Value, it's only valued at about $13mill. So moving Price for him would reduce the Sox payroll towards the luxury tax by nearly $18mill. This isn't so much about saving money as it is getting below the limit governed by the AAV of the contracts...
Just like the Braves did, I think the Dodgers will break through and win it in the next few years. They have such a strong system that it'd be dumb for them to start chasing wins. It's been a while, but 1988 is still modern baseball. It's not like they are trying to reverse a curse or anything. Plus, LA is a different market. If they never win another WS, I don't think it changes the fanbase much.
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