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    Quote Originally Posted by Carpin View Post
    Based on your expectations, if DJ doesn't belong, we should remove most of the ones already in the HOF
    I'd agree with that.

    It's not delusional to think a horrible fielding player who plays the most important defensive position, except catcher might not belong in the HOF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carpin View Post
    Specially Vizquel, if Ozzie Smith is in, Vizquel should get more votes, prime examples of glove first SS
    You could make the same argument for Andruw Jones. Except the SS part...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slasher9 View Post
    am i?
    answer yes/no to the following questions:
    Did Derek Jeter refuse to move from SS when the team acquired one of the GOAT SS?
    Did Derek Jeter hold Cashman and the yankees hostage and do a PR hissy fit negotiating his final contract?
    Did Derek Jeter force the Yankees to wear the Re2pect patch for a month and invite the "retirement tour" which splintered the clubhouse and no doubt was a main factor in the NYY missing the postseason for the first time in a million seasons?

    Also he ruined the career of budding star Garrison Lassiter. At least that’s what the lawsuit says.

    But then, a lot of A-ball pitchers also ruined the career of Garrison Lassiter as well...

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Also he ruined the career of budding star Garrison Lassiter. At least that’s what the lawsuit says.

    But then, a lot of A-ball pitchers also ruined the career of Garrison Lassiter as well...
    This Lassiter dude obviously has mental issues and needs help. Sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    You could make the same argument for Andruw Jones. Except the SS part...
    Jones>>>Vizquel
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Jones>>>Vizquel

    I call it an apples/oranges comparison for the two best defensive players ever at their respective positions. Both should be enshrined...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    This Lassiter dude obviously has mental issues and needs help. Sad.

    Not so sure. He makes a good case. After all, in high school he was the same height and weight as Corey Seager.

    (For those of you who have not read about this case, that’s actually part of his argument. Seriously. Go read about it.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    I call it an apples/oranges comparison for the two best defensive players ever at their respective positions. Both should be enshrined...
    Agreed, and even if Jones >>> Vizquel, the SS is so important, defensively, that both are highly deserving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    I call it an apples/oranges comparison for the two best defensive players ever at their respective positions. Both should be enshrined...
    Jones could actually hit.
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    There are 6 other SS with higher career dWAR than Omar. He’s far from greatest of all time. Should Belanger be in HOF?
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    I'd agree with that.

    It's not delusional to think a horrible fielding player who plays the most important defensive position, except catcher might not belong in the HOF.
    If you don't think Jeter deserves to get in the HOF, you're completely refuting WAR as a measuring tool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    If you don't think Jeter deserves to get in the HOF, you're completely refuting WAR as a measuring tool.
    I've never said WAR is the be-all-end-all tool.

    I'm very stingy on who belongs in the HOF. I'm not changing my criteria over Jeter. I don't think Schilling belongs, either, so it's not a Yankee thing.

    I'm also very stingy on those that get in just because they played 20 years of better than mediocre ball.

    I think Jeter's defense was so bad, it lowered his overall value to pint where he's close, but I'd vote no. Maybe by his last chance ballot I might change my mind.

    I like WAR. I use WAR, at times but not often. I think it has flaws, and maybe this case highlights one of them.

    Jeter was a horrible fielder for more than half his career. He played a position where defense is extremely important. Maybe I over value SS defense, and I'm dead wrong, but it's who I am. I would not vote for Jeter on the first ballot and probably every one until maybe his last year on the ballot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    There are 6 other SS with higher career dWAR than Omar. He’s far from greatest of all time. Should Belanger be in HOF?
    He'd be on my top 10 list of SSs I'd want on my team for more than a decade.

    HOF? Maybe-maybe not.
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    Moon’s hall:

    Empty, but Babe Ruth is up to 74% of the vote this year. Better luck next time!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Moon’s hall:

    Empty, but Babe Ruth is up to 74% of the vote this year. Better luck next time!
    LOL.

    I already said I'd vote for Bonds, Clemens, Manny & Walker. That's 4 in 1 year- hardly empty.

    All way more deserving than Jete.
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