also....it is a bit premature to grant Xander a spot in the HoF but DerekJackson might be right about Xander being a HoFer. maybe Xander is already a first ballot HoFer? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
also....it is a bit premature to grant Xander a spot in the HoF but DerekJackson might be right about Xander being a HoFer. maybe Xander is already a first ballot HoFer? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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He was 17th out of 38 SSs with 300+ innings in UZR/150. That's middle of the road.
He was last in DRS (38th).
That averages out to about 22.5 out of 38. Bottom half to bottom third- just like I said, but I like to use 3+ year sample sizes, especially for fielding.
Since 2015, he places 19th out of 37 with 2,000+ innings. He's last in DRS, but he has more than double the innings of some of the other ones near the bottom.
He's bottom third, IMO, but I wouldn't argue with anyone who says he's near 50% or near bottom 20-25%.
Of the SSs from Jeter's era, he placed 36th out 42 with 5,000+ innings in UZR/150.
Here's the shocker: -152 DRS! The next guy is at -84, then -69 and -62.
Jeter was clearly bottom 10% or even bottom 5%, or as I think- the worst of my lifetime.
Bogey is no even close to being the worst, except in one metric.
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he was an offensive stat compiler pure and simple. he slapped the ball to right field. if he played anywhere but YS he would have been out of baseball in 3 years. an average player at best that benefited from George's overspending and the miami clinics. some legends are written by ability. jeters wasnt.
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What point? That Bogey is the worst? He's the worst in one category/metric and middle of the road in just about all the rest.
Also...
1) I never said Bogey was HOF. I never said I'd keep him at SS for the rest of his time in Boston, either.
2) I said I would not vote for Jeter on the first ballot and probably wouldn't at all.
3) I didn't even think Cal Ripkin deserved to be in the HOF.
4) I don't think Schilling does either- so much for "bias." I didn't think Rice belonged, either.
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The guy played like 100 years. 3,000 hits / 100 is just 30 a year. (LOL)
He was a good hitter- very good for a SS.
He ran the bases well.
He sucked on defense at maybe THE most important defensive position in baseball. Had he moved to 3B, like he should have (or 2B), when ARod joined the Yanks. I'd probably feel much differently.
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Yes, but it's a result of 20 years playing for most of those stats.
Jeter is not known for HRs, yet you list HRs as a reason he should make it.
Look, certainly .300 over 20 years is a point in favor of the HOF. 3,000 hits over 20 years is just repeating the .300 BA stat. It's not really anything new, except for the longevity factor. 350 SBs and 250 Hrs over 20 years are not, IMO. Sorry.
It's not that I'm saying longevity has no value: it does, but I just don't weigh it as heavily as most do. I realize I'm in a minority, but I think I've been consistent over the year.
He stayed healthy. Is there an award for that? I'm all for it.
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So, that's the only criteria?
Hand select a few categories, in which all but BA are based on longevity, and ignore all the rest.
What if he made 200 errors a year?
What if he missed 80 plays a year that plus defenders would make?
What if he played 2B or 3B like he should have?
His .817 career OPS ties him with Brian Daubauch for 380th out of over 3600 qualified players in MLB history. It's not even top 10%.
His .310 BA ties at #95. That's about top 1/35th. Impressive.
His ISO of .130 makes it a joke to make 250+ HRs part of a qualifier criteria. I think .130 is about 1500th out of 3600+ players- barely top 50%.
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