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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Disagree entirely. The biggest change now is that prospects have become overvalued. I believe there is a prospect market that is going to burst. People can hoard all the prospects they want, but it's just a bunch of lottery tickets. Veteran players are known commodities.
    They cost too much.

    Teams know they need some low cost studs, and a bunch of lottery tickets has a better chance than no tickets at creating some cheap stars.

    I'm not downplaying the importance of FAs and spending to fill gaps, but the 2004, 2007 and 2018 championships were built almost entirely from the farm of by trading top farm pieces for studs.

    Yes, JD Martinez, Vic, Lackey and Manny were essential, but without strong farms, we have zero rings in my lifetime.

    We sucked for decades. The same decades are farm sucked.

    We came close only when we had guys like Rice, Lynn, Evans and Fisk in the 70's and Clemens, Boggs and other later on.
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Sox Prospects hadn't updated for Juan Centeno re-signing yesterday. He's the MiLB guy that could be used as an emergency C and played in a few Sox games last year where nobody was paying attention.
    My guess is he will be invited.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    My guess is he will be invited.
    Most likely. He's a glove first guy who can barely hit, but you need somebody to take care of the pitchers in the spring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Most likely. He's a glove first guy who can barely hit, but you need somebody to take care of the pitchers in the spring.
    Chances are Vaz or Plawecki need some IL time during 2020.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Chances are Vaz or Plawecki need some IL time during 2020.
    Jett Bandy can hit a little bit. Maybe he's the first one up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Baseball America just released their annual top 100 rankings.

    Casas came in at 70.

    Dalbec came in at 75.

    That's it. If Mata and Ward have strong seasons, they should be on next year. A strong season from Casas could vault him into the top 25.
    It's actually pretty tough for a 1B to get into the top 25, and extremely tough to crack the top 10. Lars Anderson did crack the top 25 (BA #17), and them dropped precipitously the next year. Other exceptional 1B like Paul Goldschmidt were never ranked at all due to their position.

    It's been done, but it's not as common as other positions...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Because almost every young player improves somewhat?
    Myth.

    Unless you're reserving your judgment for after-the-fact for when a player is good. If that is the case, we don't know yet if Duran qualifies. Minor League is history is littered with players as talented and more talented than Duran who never saw Day One on the Majors...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Disagree entirely. The biggest change now is that prospects have become overvalued. I believe there is a prospect market that is going to burst. People can hoard all the prospects they want, but it's just a bunch of lottery tickets. Veteran players are known commodities.
    But having sufficient prospects to fill the holes for the league minimum allows teams to acquire better veteran players...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    They have 7 guys who have a realistic chance to be top 100 guys next year:

    Casas
    Mata
    Groome
    Jimenez
    Dalbec
    Duran
    Ward

    If they all made it, would that be Bloom turning things around?
    I'll take the under on all 7 making the top 100. How many teams have had 7 players ranked at one time? I can only think of 3. (2011 Royals, 2014 Red Sox, 2019 Padres) And in the case of the Royals and Red Sox, not all of the named players even became Major Leaguers. Jury is obviously still out on the Padres. (But they won't.)
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    There are 29 other teams, each with lists of top 7 prospects close to or better than that with candidates for the top 100, and all 210 players simply cannot fit on a 100 player list. Not even if BA doubles the size of the list.

    The Sox might get 3 of them. Four would be the upper limit. (But that is still an impressive jump.)

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    MLB.com has Kopech #20.

    77 Casas

    Nobody else.
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    I'm assuming there's some overlap with those above-average & elite tools. Dalbec was not far off, feels like he's been very close the last 2-3 times we've done the list. Good D at 3B, won't budge Devers, could win
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    @BenBadler
    Our top 100 international prospect signings of 2019.

    Includes up to date scouting reports on every player heading into 2020.

    It’s our deepest dive ever on an international signing class.


    @SPChrisHatfield

    Sox on list:
    26. RHP Chih-Jung Liu
    27. RHP Luis Perales
    49. OF Juan Chacon
    97. OF Jhostynxon Garcia
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    Liu is ranked 24 at SoxProspects: https://soxprospects.com/players/liu-chih-jung.htm

    Perales is ranked 42 at SoxProspects: https://soxprospects.com/players/perales-luis.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    @BenBadler
    Our top 100 international prospect signings of 2019.

    Includes up to date scouting reports on every player heading into 2020.

    It’s our deepest dive ever on an international signing class.


    @SPChrisHatfield

    Sox on list:
    26. RHP Chih-Jung Liu
    27. RHP Luis Perales
    49. OF Juan Chacon
    97. OF Jhostynxon Garcia
    Jhostynxon might be the coolest name ever. i cant even figure out how to say it.
    other names i have posted under: none

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slasher9 View Post
    Jhostynxon might be the coolest name ever. i cant even figure out how to say it.
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