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    Quote Originally Posted by Slasher9 View Post
    why you gotta mess with Joe Kelly Fight Club???
    Happy to have him here, glad to see him leave. His regular season numbers from 2019 were worse than his 2018 numbers which most of us weren't happy with.
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    I reminded baseball ops that we are focused on competitiveness over the next 5 years over and above resetting. You seem to think Chaim was brought in to reduce payroll. That has simply not been the way FSG operates here or across the pond.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fangraphs View Post
    For Boston fans, the deal sucks. The Red Sox didnít need to back off from contention and trade Mookie Betts. The deal serves principally to increase the Red Soxís profits with a small increase in their competitive position some years down the line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Can't forget Pomeranz! Was he even on the postseason roster?

    Kelly's production can be replicated by any AAAA reliever.
    I know Pomeranz was on roster because my dad texted me during one of the games ďWhy the fuck is that dumb fuck warming upĒ. He wasnít a Pom fan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasonbay44 View Post
    I know Pomeranz was on roster because my dad texted me during one of the games “Why the fuck is that dumb fuck warming up”. He wasn’t a Pom fan
    Hell yeah.
    Quote Originally Posted by John Henry View Post
    I reminded baseball ops that we are focused on competitiveness over the next 5 years over and above resetting. You seem to think Chaim was brought in to reduce payroll. That has simply not been the way FSG operates here or across the pond.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fangraphs View Post
    For Boston fans, the deal sucks. The Red Sox didnít need to back off from contention and trade Mookie Betts. The deal serves principally to increase the Red Soxís profits with a small increase in their competitive position some years down the line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S5Dewey View Post
    Nice phrase. You (and Kimmie) have chanced my thinking on this. It reminds me of what the great philosopher Jagger said, "You can't always get what you want, but sometimes.... you get what you need.'

    We'd all like to see Mookie around for his entire career, but at what price? Do you want to see him here forever if it means we never win a WSC again because JH can't/won't spend enough additional money to put quality players around him?

    We may not like this but it may be what we need.
    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Can't forget Pomeranz! Was he even on the postseason roster?

    Kelly's production can be replicated by any AAAA reliever.
    Funny how you downplayed Kimbrel's role in the 2018 ring season due to his playoff woes, yet Kelly did great in the playoffs, and he's AAAA replaceable.

    Can you stick to one criteria?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Funny how you downplayed Kimbrel's role in the 2018 ring season due to his playoff woes, yet Kelly did great in the playoffs, and he's AAAA replaceable.

    Can you stick to one criteria?

    Why should I? Nobody else around here does.

    Weird that I have to be held to a different standard.
    Quote Originally Posted by John Henry View Post
    I reminded baseball ops that we are focused on competitiveness over the next 5 years over and above resetting. You seem to think Chaim was brought in to reduce payroll. That has simply not been the way FSG operates here or across the pond.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fangraphs View Post
    For Boston fans, the deal sucks. The Red Sox didnít need to back off from contention and trade Mookie Betts. The deal serves principally to increase the Red Soxís profits with a small increase in their competitive position some years down the line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Funny how you downplayed Kimbrel's role in the 2018 ring season due to his playoff woes, yet Kelly did great in the playoffs, and he's AAAA replaceable.

    Can you stick to one criteria?

    I suspect Kelly's 2018 post season performance was the one off of one offs. He always had velo but no real movement on his FB. He was throwing FB's with velo and late break and his breaking stuff was the best I have seen it. Don't know what he did. However if somebody told me there was something fishy going on there, I would be inclined to believe it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S5Dewey View Post
    Nice phrase. You (and Kimmie) have chanced my thinking on this. It reminds me of what the great philosopher Jagger said, "You can't always get what you want, but sometimes.... you get what you need.'

    We'd all like to see Mookie around for his entire career, but at what price? Do you want to see him here forever if it means we never win a WSC again because JH can't/won't spend enough additional money to put quality players around him?

    We may not like this but it may be what we need.
    Quote Originally Posted by jung View Post
    I suspect Kelly's 2018 post season performance was the one off of one offs. He always had velo but no real movement on his FB. He was throwing FB's with velo and late break and his breaking stuff was the best I have seen it. Don't know what he did. However if somebody told me there was something fishy going on there, I would be inclined to believe it.
    He was great and bad for stretches all 2018 and even other years.

    Kimbrel helped get us to the playoffs.

    Nunez, Kinsler and others helped, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    He was great and bad for stretches all 2018 and even other years.

    Kimbrel helped get us to the playoffs.

    Nunez, Kinsler and others helped, too.
    If it wasn't for Kinsler, they sweep the WS.
    Quote Originally Posted by John Henry View Post
    I reminded baseball ops that we are focused on competitiveness over the next 5 years over and above resetting. You seem to think Chaim was brought in to reduce payroll. That has simply not been the way FSG operates here or across the pond.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fangraphs View Post
    For Boston fans, the deal sucks. The Red Sox didnít need to back off from contention and trade Mookie Betts. The deal serves principally to increase the Red Soxís profits with a small increase in their competitive position some years down the line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S5Dewey View Post
    Nice phrase. You (and Kimmie) have chanced my thinking on this. It reminds me of what the great philosopher Jagger said, "You can't always get what you want, but sometimes.... you get what you need.'

    We'd all like to see Mookie around for his entire career, but at what price? Do you want to see him here forever if it means we never win a WSC again because JH can't/won't spend enough additional money to put quality players around him?

    We may not like this but it may be what we need.
    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    He was great and bad for stretches all 2018 and even other years.

    Kimbrel helped get us to the playoffs.

    Nunez, Kinsler and others helped, too.
    We lost about 1/6th of our PAs from 2018, even though many were not all that great in 2018, it's enough to say 2019 was not the same team.

    We lost about a tenth of our IP from 2018, but a much higher percent of high leverage/ late and close IP'd. That's enough to say it wasn't the same team in 2019.
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    Quote Originally Posted by S5Dewey View Post
    Nice phrase. You (and Kimmie) have chanced my thinking on this. It reminds me of what the great philosopher Jagger said, "You can't always get what you want, but sometimes.... you get what you need.'

    We'd all like to see Mookie around for his entire career, but at what price? Do you want to see him here forever if it means we never win a WSC again because JH can't/won't spend enough additional money to put quality players around him?

    We may not like this but it may be what we need.
    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    If it wasn't for Kinsler, they sweep the WS.
    If it wasn't for Kelly...
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    If it wasn't for Kelly...
    They win 110 games in the regular season.
    Quote Originally Posted by John Henry View Post
    I reminded baseball ops that we are focused on competitiveness over the next 5 years over and above resetting. You seem to think Chaim was brought in to reduce payroll. That has simply not been the way FSG operates here or across the pond.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fangraphs View Post
    For Boston fans, the deal sucks. The Red Sox didnít need to back off from contention and trade Mookie Betts. The deal serves principally to increase the Red Soxís profits with a small increase in their competitive position some years down the line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    He was great and bad for stretches all 2018 and even other years.

    Kimbrel helped get us to the playoffs.

    Nunez, Kinsler and others helped, too.
    Even Kelly's hot stretches did not match what he did in the 2018 post season. The combination of velo and movement he showed in that post season is something I had not seen before that post season nor since.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S5Dewey View Post
    Nice phrase. You (and Kimmie) have chanced my thinking on this. It reminds me of what the great philosopher Jagger said, "You can't always get what you want, but sometimes.... you get what you need.'

    We'd all like to see Mookie around for his entire career, but at what price? Do you want to see him here forever if it means we never win a WSC again because JH can't/won't spend enough additional money to put quality players around him?

    We may not like this but it may be what we need.
    Quote Originally Posted by jung View Post
    Even Kelly's hot stretches did not match what he did in the 2018 post season. The combination of velo and movement he showed in that post season is something I had not seen before that post season nor since.
    He had one great stretch early in 2018:

    From game 2 to his 25th game (Apr 1 to May 29):

    0.35 ERA
    .327 OPS against
    25.2 IP
    10 H
    27 K
    6 BB
    (1 out of 6 IR scored)


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