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    I don’t think this means JBJ is traded though. I think Bloom is just filling out his roster with guys who play hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    He's owed $11M. Maybe we find a team looking to save some money and had a decent pitcher making $12-18M a year. We'd still be significantly under the lux tax, but we'd be much better with our rotation and maybe close to the same in CF with Pillar/Puello vs JBJ.
    Jackie Bradley Jr. for San Francisco righthander Jeff Samardzija:

    https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...amarje01.shtml

    Or not.

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    Pillar splits over the last 3 years:
    v LHP/ v RHP
    .823/.681 (2019)
    .686/.717 (2018)
    .940/.628 (2017)
    Overall: .711
    3 year UZR/150: +2.8
    DRS +8 in 3686 innings

    JBJ
    .640/.787 (2019)
    .562/.768 (2018)
    .766/.713 (2017)
    Overall: .727
    UZR/150: +4.1
    DRS: +7 in 3589 innings

    Small 2019 sample size
    Puello
    .841/.669 (.740 overall in 147 PAs)
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harmony View Post
    Jackie Bradley Jr. for San Francisco righthander Jeff Samardzija:

    https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...amarje01.shtml

    Or not.
    SF already filled their OF.
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    Oh, you people. Sigh.

    The writing is on the wall. Pillar was picked up to replace Mookie's defense in RF. Our outfield is now Benintendi, JBJ, Pillar.
    It's a mere moment in a man's life between the All-Star game and the Old Timer's game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harmony View Post
    Jackie Bradley Jr. for San Francisco righthander Jeff Samardzija:

    https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...amarje01.shtml

    Or not.
    How about JBJ & Chavis for Familia, Matz & DSmith? The trade simulator accepts the trade without Chavis!
    It also accepts JBJ & Chavis for just Matz and Smith, but we'd probably have to give some cash.


    JBJ & ____ for Danny Duffy or Ian Kennedy?
    Last edited by moonslav59; 02-11-2020 at 08:57 PM.
    When you say it's gonna happen now
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    Quote Originally Posted by S5Dewey View Post
    Oh, you people. Sigh.

    The writing is on the wall. Pillar was picked up to replace Mookie's defense in RF. Our outfield is now Benintendi, JBJ, Pillar.
    Verdugo is our FT RF'er.
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Verdugo is our FT RF'er.
    This. There is no reason Verdugo shouldn’t be starting

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasonbay44 View Post
    This. There is no reason Verdugo shouldn’t be starting
    Looking at the splits (see below), Pillar will play CF vs LHPs and maybe RF/LF when Verdugo/Beni needs a rest.
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Looking at the splits (see below), Pillar will play CF vs LHPs and maybe RF/LF when Verdugo/Beni needs a rest.
    Pillar has to be slotted as the Starting CF Verdugo can play CF and Benny seems redundant to have JBJ now ? I think a trade for a starter has to be next .JBJ on the block Moon says Matz and after his tweaking his game last year I’d love this for both teams didn’t Matz improve his spin rate and his explosion ? They where just talking Matz on MLB radio this week .could we actually flip Wong and JBJ ?
    Last edited by Swiharts Ghost; 02-11-2020 at 09:08 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    SF already filled their OF.
    With who? Have you seen their OF depth chart? Which of the following 3 start over JBJ?

    Mike Yastrzemski (OK, he's one.)
    Alex Dickerson
    Steve Duggar
    Hunter Pence
    Billy Hamilton
    Chris Shaw
    Jaylin Davis
    Austin Slater

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    JBJ isn't blocking anyone better, he appears to have little to no trade value (or he would have been moved already), and the Red Sox are now far enough below the CBT line that they shouldn't need to engage in further payroll-dumping just for the sake of it. What purpose would trading him now serve?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Looking at the splits (see below), Pillar will play CF vs LHPs and maybe RF/LF when Verdugo/Beni needs a rest.
    I think that is the idea here.

    Pillar in CF vs LHP and backing up Verdugo or Benintendi in case of injuries, etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swiharts Ghost View Post
    Pillar has to be slotted as the Starting CF Verdugo can play CF and Benny seems redundant to have JBJ now ? I think a trade for a starter has to be next .JBJ on the block Moon says Matz and after his tweaking his game last year I’d love this for both teams didn’t Matz improve his spin rate and his explosion ? They where just talking Matz on MLB radio this week .could we actually flip Wong and JBJ ?
    Matz makes $5M and has one arb left. JBJ is owed $11M and is done after this year. A one for one deal would not fly.

    Maybe we pay $5-6M, but even then, I think NY says no.

    We'd have to add someone (Houck? Chavis?) or take on some salary (Familia is owed $11.7M x 2 and the lux tax number is $10M x 2.) Familia & Matz for JBJ would save NY $5.7M, this year and $11.7M next year. To me, that's not fair to Boston, unless Bloom expects a Familia rebound.

    Maybe JBJ for Matz & Familia +$5M?

    I'd like JBJ, Houck & Chavis for Matz, Smith and Familia and $10M.

    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Verdugo is our FT RF'er.
    With 3 LH OFers, there are more than enough AB’s to be split with Pillar (4th OF).
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