I didn't know that. That sounds odd to me. The USA charges for college where those EU countries do not, and we have a higher percentage of students going to college. I'm wondering why that would be the case? Maybe the percentage of Americans have more cash to spend on college. I really wqould have thought that a huge percentage of those EU countries people would have attended college.
In the town where I was born
Lived a man who sailed to sea
And he told us of his life
In the land of submarines
So we sailed up to the sun
'Til we found a sea of green
And we lived beneath the waves
In our yellow submarine
No one is for wide open borders. Get a grip. And unfortunately, taxes are going to have to be raised, eventually, and medicare and SS are going to have to be modified/cut, eventually. Someone is going to pay for the burgeoning deficit created by YOUR jackass president. It might be your kids; it might be your grandkids, but someone is going to pay. Thats the way the world works.
I am not weeping yet. If somehow T Rump manages to fix the election in a way that he is the winner then I will weep. I have no delusions about T Rump being tried for murder, though he richly deserves it. I would be quite satisfied to see him destroyed by a huge election loss, the dems take the Senate too, then the donkey of pennsylvania avenue will be investigated without being able to control who testifies. That would be just fine with me. Then we can start winning the war against Covid.
As a fiscal conservative I was initially against free college at all. I have come around to thinking that maybe free community college for those who cannot afford it as an investment in our younger people might not be a bad idea, depending on the cost. I think it would help lower income and minority students a great deal.
In general I think that is why Bernie and Warren lost. College isn't something I followed during the primaries. And I do have to say that I wasn't too happy with letting all college debt off the books as I don't have any, and I don't have any kids, and I don't care about peoples kids and if you had kids that's your stinking problem and my dollar shouldn't go to them. But...... I do realize that whoevers kids will keep America great again, so I don't bitch about it all that much and want to see the younger generation succeed. And I really think that free college would be a great thing for this country as we seem to be falling behind in education now a days and it's a shame that some of those who deserve to go to college can't afford it. But as some of the moderate dem candidates mentioned, you could keep your gold health care plan if you can afford it which to me seems like the same thing for education, but there would be a free safety net for the rest of the population, seems like a really smart plan to me.
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In the town where I was born
Lived a man who sailed to sea
And he told us of his life
In the land of submarines
So we sailed up to the sun
'Til we found a sea of green
And we lived beneath the waves
In our yellow submarine
In the town where I was born
Lived a man who sailed to sea
And he told us of his life
In the land of submarines
So we sailed up to the sun
'Til we found a sea of green
And we lived beneath the waves
In our yellow submarine
I've done disaster recovery plans for computer systems for a few companies. It's where you plan that something happens and the office you are in is destroyed. You think of every conceivable situation and how you will get the company up and running as soon as possible. And then implement a plan that will work if that happens.
Many of you have heard that a huge epidemic will hit and it wasn't an issue of if, but of when. Our gov for years has known this. It blows my mind that we are caught with our pants down on this whole thing. No plan for testing, no plan for contract tracing, no plan for shut downs and enforcing what is needed to be done. If I was the disaster recovery plan person that was supposed to have planned for this and this was where we were at. I would have already sent in my letter of resignation, and I would be seriously eyeing that pistol on the table for failing so many people. And this failure goes back decades, not just the current administration. It's time to abandon the American exceptionalism idea, and maybe start thinking about how we can catch up. We failed.
In the town where I was born
Lived a man who sailed to sea
And he told us of his life
In the land of submarines
So we sailed up to the sun
'Til we found a sea of green
And we lived beneath the waves
In our yellow submarine
Most people can afford community college I suspect. However, minorities may not be able to afford it. We need to begin to address the issue that in reality there is NOT equal opportunity for everyone, not when some minorities (and non minorities) cannot even afford college while other kids have their parents bribe their way into the best schools. That hardly seems fair. I also busted my ass to get through college and four years of medical school, having grown up in a ghetto in Lynn, MA in my early years. If we truly intend to start kids off on a more equal footing this (free community college for those who cannot afford it) is a good start. As for eliminating all school debt....sorry. People signed up for the loans, they ought to repay them.
In the town where I was born
Lived a man who sailed to sea
And he told us of his life
In the land of submarines
So we sailed up to the sun
'Til we found a sea of green
And we lived beneath the waves
In our yellow submarine
Even if Bernie became president, the Dems had a solid majority in the House, maybe 52 or 53 in the Senate (about the best anyone could imagine) AND the Senate filibuster rule was overturned, this nation would still not even come close to being socialist in 4 years. I seriously doubt even universal healthcare would get passed.
Marxism in 1 year, under Biden?!?!
Comical.
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
I'd give free community college and public colleges to anyone whose family family income is under $75K (less with more kids). Half off public schools between 75K and 125K. Maybe 10% off from 125-150K, if the family has 2+ kids.
I'd make the loans have lower interest rates and allow some debt to be forgiven, if some public service is done after college (within 2-3 years).
These kids are getting out of college, now with more debt than I had on my house. (And, they can never wipe that debt away with bankruptcy.)
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
Dude,
There are plenty of opportunities for minorities to get help & financing through school. What you don't want to think about, is not only the kid's socio-economic background, but also their influences. ANY KID with determination can make and will make it. Those thrown off track by a lack of role modeling, and bad influences are more likely than not going to make it through school, let alone into college.
I put myself through school. My parents could have helped, but after too many screwups, they cut the cord. Then, it was all on me.
My kids have WORKED THEIR ASSES OFF, financing most of their own college. It is MUCH HARDER these days, as the cost of a college education is now ridiculous.
"OCCUPY YOUR LOCAL COLLEGE."
Just like, "occupy Wall Street."
These people should be in prison!
Anyway... This problem is SO MUCH MORE complicated than just reducing the cost. At some point, communities have to look from within. I know that is totally NON-PC, but who are we kidding. The overriding issues with this whole movement go WAY BEYOND "White Privilage." These bullshit throw away lines that skinny white rich kids say to sound enlightened.
There is a two-way street that nobody really wants to talk about.
I understand that it's hard to talk about, but these voices in African-American communities must speak up.
Throwing money alone at a problem never works.
Anyway... YES! Increase opportunity! REDUCE the cost of a degree.... but! Also, open up trade school opportunities! Apprenticeships! It's time we started thinking more outside the box.
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Calm down. I've been tamed.
Sorry but you are flat out wrong. I retired from State in 97. Career officers were removed from Ambassadorial positions and.other key.posts all the time during the Cartrr, Reagan, Bush and Clinton administration over policy differences and other reasons. After I retired,.Mary Ryan who held the highest personal rank in the foreign service was fired as Ass't Sec for Consular Affairs as was her successor another career officer.. Plus I know of at least a dozen others also. The difference is that when a career officer is fired they do not leave the service. They are given a "non job" until they can retire on full pension.