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    Rockers would work great.

    Think of the mascots, logos, and more!
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    How about the Cleveland Galehouses ? If it wasn't for the late , great Denny Galehouse , they would be " celebrating " a 100 year championship drought this season . You are welcome , Cleveland .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    I think they might as well change them all and get it over with, rather than drag out the process.
    People can find a reason to be offended about anything though. I'm not sure if it's possible to get it over with quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimmi View Post
    People can find a reason to be offended about anything though. I'm not sure if it's possible to get it over with quickly.
    Redskins, Chiefs, Indians, Braves - these are all pretty much at the same level, IMHO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Redskins, Chiefs, Indians, Braves - these are all pretty much at the same level, IMHO.
    Redskins I understand. I don't understand what is offensive about the others. Forgive my ignorance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimmi View Post
    Redskins I understand. I don't understand what is offensive about the others. Forgive my ignorance.
    I know what you're saying. But if indigenous people find them offensive I accept it.
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    Maybe 'Indians' and 'Braves' are not so offensive in themselves, but these two franchises have done plenty to emphasize all the obviously offensive stereotypes that can be associated with the names - "Chief Wahoo", "Chief Noc-a-homa", the "Tomahawk Chop", etc.
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    To make things easier all Cleveland franchises should be called the Browns

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimmi View Post
    Redskins I understand. I don't understand what is offensive about the others. Forgive my ignorance.
    For starters, they aren’t “Indians.”
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    ( I won't say the "C word.")

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Maybe 'Indians' and 'Braves' are not so offensive in themselves, but these two franchises have done plenty to emphasize all the obviously offensive stereotypes that can be associated with the names - "Chief Wahoo", "Chief Noc-a-homa", the "Tomahawk Chop", etc.
    Wahoo should have been gone decades ago. Braves got rid of Noc-a-homa a few years ago I believe.
    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    ( I won't say the "C word.")

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkzwhitestrican View Post
    To make things easier all Cleveland franchises should be called the Browns
    I like it.
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    ( I won't say the "C word.")

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkzwhitestrican View Post
    To make things easier all Cleveland franchises should be called the Browns
    Someone would find that racist, even though it's after Paul Brown
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    I can't disagree with you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    I know what you're saying. But if indigenous people find them offensive I accept it.
    Fair point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Maybe 'Indians' and 'Braves' are not so offensive in themselves, but these two franchises have done plenty to emphasize all the obviously offensive stereotypes that can be associated with the names - "Chief Wahoo", "Chief Noc-a-homa", the "Tomahawk Chop", etc.
    Another fair point. Can they change their logos, etc., without changing their names?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    I know what you're saying. But if indigenous people find them offensive I accept it.
    I can understand their positions, and whn you look at the Indian's logo, I'd be offended, too.

    The Redskins logo has always looked distinguished, to me, but yeah, the name is a clear no-no.

    Chiefs and Braves seem kind of neutral, but I can see how their names are being used to instill thoughts of brave warriors in battle, and that's a stereotype they feel has been overused for long enough.

    My guess is, with all that is going on now, these names will be changed within a year or two.

    Hell, the Lincoln Memorial may be next, after all, he did sign off on the biggest gov't sanctioned lynching of Native Americans in US history.


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