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Thread: A Realistic View at 2021: Part I

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Overwatch?
    If you say so. I had to Google around to see what was hot to make the damn joke work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    If you say so. I had to Google around to see what was hot to make the damn joke work.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...y_player_count

    Fortnite is still really popular, but I think it's probably more of a casual or kids game at this point.

    Aside from League of Legends (probably the most famous esports game), I think Dota 2 is probably the "cooler" esports game at the moment. I haven't heard much about the others and don't really play any online games to begin with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Lin, Leyer, Godley, Triggs and Kickham were all outrighted off the 40 man roster.

    Godley, Triggs and Kickham have elected free agency,

    https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/...5-players.html
    No surprise.

    I'd like to see Lin accept a minor league deal with us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    No surprise.

    I'd like to see Lin accept a minor league deal with us.
    Now that he has been DFA'd I'm ok with bringing Lin back as a non-40 man player. BBut if they let him go or he elects free agency or a return back home, that';s fine, too. He's not exactly irreplaceable.

    Of course, this move is to open spaces on the 40-man to protect Rule 5 eligible players. As the Sox have 6 very obvious candidates (Groome, Mata, Seabold, Rosario, Potts and Downs), so someone else is obviously gone within a couple weeks as well. There is no shortage of obvious candidates or DFA...

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Mookie will be 28 his whole first season.

    Let's say 2 years. That means the team gets 2 more prime years out of Betts and 3 more years on the back end compared to Price.

    Price will turn 37 his last year. Betts will only have 2 seasons at 37 or older.
    You're using fuzzy math.

    Price's birthday is August 26.

    Mookie's is October 7.

    That's a difference of only 42 days, but you're making it into a full year.

    Might as well use exact ages down to the days, if you're going to do a fair comparison.

    Edit: Or you can just use the same method Baseball-Reference uses, the player's age at the start of the season.

    That makes Price's 2016 season his age 30 season, and Mookie's 2021 season his age 28 season.

    2 years difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    If we count age 31 as post prime, all 7 of Price's seasons are post-prime, whereas 3 of Mookie's are in prime, and 9 are post prime.
    That's kind of scary right there.

    You're paying for 9 post-prime years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    That doesn't really change anything. Mookie also doesn't throw sliders...
    So all pitchers are injury-prone.

    Maybe we should stay away from them altogether.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    So all pitchers are injury-prone.

    Maybe we should stay away from them altogether.
    I assume when "Making a Strawman" becomes an Olympic event, you will be representing Canada?

    I do think it is a good idea to not give $200 mill/7 year contracts to pitchers over 30. Not really sure how that equates to "avoid pitchers altogether."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    You're using fuzzy math.

    Price's birthday is August 26.

    Mookie's is October 7.

    That's a difference of only 42 days, but you're making it into a full year.

    Might as well use exact ages down to the days, if you're going to do a fair comparison.

    Edit: Or you can just use the same method Baseball-Reference uses, the player's age at the start of the season.

    That makes Price's 2016 season his age 30 season, and Mookie's 2021 season his age 28 season.

    2 years difference.
    No, I said I'd make it 2 years, and I did.

    All I said was Betts will be 28 his whole. first year. I did not argue that Price should count as a year older due to 42 days.

    I'll take 3 prime and 9 post prime over 0 prime and 7 post prime.

    If you want to break it down further as 26-30 prime, 31-34 post prime and 35+ past post prime, we have this:

    Price: 0-4-3
    Betts: 3-4-5

    The real difference in Betts has 3 more prime and 2 more past post prime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    I assume when "Making a Strawman" becomes an Olympic event, you will be representing Canada?

    I do think it is a good idea to not give $200 mill/7 year contracts to pitchers over 30. Not really sure how that equates to "avoid pitchers altogether."
    One would expect Betts to be better at 37 than a pitcher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    No, I said I'd make it 2 years, and I did.

    All I said was Betts will be 28 his whole. first year. I did not argue that Price should count as a year older due to 42 days.

    I'll take 3 prime and 9 post prime over 0 prime and 7 post prime.
    Again, it would be 1 and 6 for Price, since he was 30 at the start of 2016.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    I assume when "Making a Strawman" becomes an Olympic event, you will be representing Canada?

    I do think it is a good idea to not give $200 mill/7 year contracts to pitchers over 30. Not really sure how that equates to "avoid pitchers altogether."
    When I pointed out that the difference between Price and Betts was 2 years instead of the 4 you've been quoting, you dismissed it and deflected to the "But Price is a pitcher" argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    One would expect Betts to be better at 37 than a pitcher.
    I'm sure the Angels thought the same about Pujols.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Once JBJ becomes a FA, we'll have 40 on the roster. With 6 Rule 5 players to add and 3-5 free agents, minimum, we may need to clear 9-12 slots.

    Assuming no trades or additions, which is highly unlikely, here are the certain or near 18 certain keepers:
    (listed by seniority on 40 man roster)
    Vaz
    Bogey
    Barnes
    ERod
    Beni
    Sale
    Devers
    JD
    Eovaldi
    Chavis
    DHern
    Dalbec
    Perez
    Verdugo
    Pivetta
    Munoz
    Arroyo
    Houck

    11 Near Expendable:
    Walden
    Brasier
    Brewer
    Taylor
    Weber
    Arauz
    Mazza
    Plawecki
    Valdez
    Covey
    Grullon

    11 Expendable:
    Pedey
    Chatham
    Hart
    Wilson
    Aybar
    Peraza
    Brice
    Springs
    Hall
    Stock
    Puello
    Once could argue most of the "near expendables" are players that could easily be replaced. They are not likely to be DFA'd, but trading some for prospects or players not 40-man roster required could be options:

    11 Near Expendable:
    Walden
    Brasier
    Brewer
    Taylor
    Weber
    Arauz
    Mazza
    Plawecki
    Valdez
    Covey
    Grullon

    Only Plawecki and Taylor have clear roles on the 2021 team, and both could be easily replaced.

    Add these 11 to the list of "expendables," and you get 22 players that are not really prized in any way.

    This has to be one of the weakest bottom halves of a 40 man roster of any Sox team in a very long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    [B]Once JBJ becomes a FA, we'll have 40 on the roster. With 6 Rule 5 players to add and 3-5 free agents, minimum, we may need to clear 9-12 slots.

    Assuming no trades or additions, which is highly unlikely, here are the certain or near 18 certain keepers:
    (listed by seniority on 40 man roster)
    Vaz
    Bogey
    Barnes
    ERod
    Beni
    Sale
    Devers
    JD
    Eovaldi
    Chavis
    DHern
    Dalbec
    Perez
    Verdugo
    Pivetta
    Munoz
    Arroyo
    Houck

    11 Near Expendable:
    Walden
    Brasier
    Brewer
    Taylor
    Weber
    Arauz
    Mazza
    Plawecki
    Valdez
    Covey
    Grullon

    11 Expendable:
    Pedey
    Chatham
    Hart
    Wilson
    Aybar
    Peraza
    Brice
    Springs
    Hall
    Stock
    Puello

    Of the 18 "Keepers," ERod and Sale will likely start on the 60 Day IL, Beni and Eovaldi are questionable, Barnes & Perez are in their last year of team control, and Munoz, Arroyo and Pivetta are not really anyone to get too excited about. (I'll chalk 2021 up as an outlier for JD.) Vaz has been up and down. Houck started 6 games. Chavis could be mini-Middy. DHern still walks too many batters, and Dalbec's sample size is rather small.

    Our core of healthy and durable players is rather small. One could view it as only 11 players, 2 of whom are FAs after 2021.:
    Vaz
    Bogey
    Barnes
    ERod
    Devers
    JD
    DHern
    Dalbec
    Perez
    Verdugo
    Houck
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