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Thread: A Realistic View at 2021: Part I

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slasher9 View Post
    this post made my day
    At the right price....not worth $10M/year on this team...

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    I'm ok with that. As long as they don't go overboard with the years...
    Probably 2 year deal. 2/12?
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    ( I won't say the "C word.")

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    At the right price....not worth $10M/year on this team...
    Well, he won't get that on the open market.
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    ( I won't say the "C word.")

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Ok, but then he combined for 0.9 fWAR in the nest 2 seasons. His 4.2 fWAR from 2010-2012 is certainly a far from impressive run...
    It's really hard to be impressive when you're injured.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    It's really hard to be impressive when you're injured.
    Yes, which is why I am down on Eovaldi as a starter.

    Lackey did turn it around after 2 awful years, but not many pitchers will give you that on long term free agent contracts..

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Probably 2 year deal. 2/12?
    I'm very ok with that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Yes, which is why I am down on Eovaldi as a starter.

    Lackey did turn it around after 2 awful years, but not many pitchers will give you that on long term free agent contracts..
    Lackey turned it around after Tommy John surgery. He ended up yielding good value on the deal. The injury clause in his contract was triggered and he played in 2015 for minimum wage. Which was good work by Theo, although it was St. Louis who got the benefit. We did get some value from Joe Kelly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harmony View Post
    I stand corrected on Yasmani Grandahl and James McCann, who switched teams as free agents.

    Wilson Ramos was traded on July 31, 2018, and J.T. Realmuto was traded on February 7, 2019.

    A majority of the 30 top catchers of the last three seasons have changed teams during that period, an indication that the market is fluid.
    But only 3 of the top 10 have, and only 2 were traded (Realmuto and Jorge Alfaro)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Any thoughts on these free agents?

    LeMahieu $90M/4
    Brantley $45M/3
    Turner $25M/2 (Move Devers to 1B?)

    Others listed on bleacherreport that might fall near our likely contract range:
    Kirby Yates
    Mike Minor
    Shane Greene
    Liam Hendricks
    Jonathan Schoop

    If we decide to go larger (maybe for one not 2 guys)
    Tanaka
    Stroman
    Ozuna
    Springer
    I would avoid LeMahieu, since there is no way to tie him to an improved pitching staff. Not like anyone playing 2B for Boston is great trade bait.
    I would avoid Turner, while it does create a logjam with Devers and Dalbec, I think the Sox are better off with their current corner infielders.
    Brantley is an interesting thought. Excellent hitter who frees up Benintendi. My only concern is how much field he will be able to play over the next 3 seasons, since the Sox are likely to have DH filled for 2 of them.

    Forget Yates, Minor, Greene. Hendriks and Schoop have promise in my eyes. The reliever market is one the Sox relly need to look in to, but the bet option is a tough call.

    Springer and Ozuna figure to be among the most expensive, and the money is probably better spent on Bauer or Realmuto. Tanaka is a Yankee, so pass. Stroman is a possibility, as is Robbie Ray...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    This is absolutely correct. Moon thinks Madison Bumgarner saved the team 100 innings worth of worn arms. Well I disagree. What happened was Bumgarner took away opportunity from another player posting a positive WAR for those 100 innings.
    Yes, anything above replacement level would put you ahead on the deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Lackey gave the Sox 3 awful years (counting the one he missed) up front, but managed to have a great year at exactly the right time, including some stellar postseason work....
    His first season was not "awful." Disappointing, yes. Not great, yes. "Awful," no.

    14-11 4.40 ERA+ 99 (1.419 WHIP is pretty bad.)
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    This is absolutely correct. Moon thinks Madison Bumgarner saved the team 100 innings worth of worn arms. Well I disagree. What happened was Bumgarner took away opportunity from another player posting a positive WAR for those 100 innings.
    What?

    It's a really, really safe bet that any reliever contributing positively would have had ample work opportunities. Even the managers you don't like manage their bullpens that way....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    This is absolutely correct. Moon thinks Madison Bumgarner saved the team 100 innings worth of worn arms. Well I disagree. What happened was Bumgarner took away opportunity from another player posting a positive WAR for those 100 innings.
    It was notin, not me, but more IP'd at a very nice WAR rate is a plus.
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Yes, anything above replacement level would put you ahead on the deal.
    So what you're saying is that when giving Price a contract, a GM might think "Well he does not throw as many innings as other pitchers, but that means he gives better opportunities to the relief pitchers to pick up the slack. Hey, that is worth $17 mill per year!!"

    Just imagine how much Price could get if he stopped pitching altogether!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    So what you're saying is that when giving Price a contract, a GM might think "Well he does not throw as many innings as other pitchers, but that means he gives better opportunities to the relief pitchers to pick up the slack. Hey, that is worth $17 mill per year!!"

    Just imagine how much Price could get if he stopped pitching altogether!!!
    Like $0 for 2020?
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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