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Thread: Why was Mookie traded, exactly?

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    Mookie had a good game last night. He's probably going to make the naysayers (including me) eat their words.
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    I was going through my card collection this week and the Mookie Sox cards no longer turned my stomach. Progress!
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    ( I won't say the "C word.")

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Mookie had a good game last night. He's probably going to make the naysayers (including me) eat their words.
    Looking down from 30,000 ft, its very possible he'll have another MVP type year but I sure don't want to be on the hook for 12 years. Too many things can go wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Mookie had a good game last night. He's probably going to make the naysayers (including me) eat their words.
    Water seeks it's level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    I was going through my card collection this week and the Mookie Sox cards no longer turned my stomach. Progress!
    Mookie’s play was never going to be the question, at least not for a few more years. For Boston, it was a question of whether or not they would be able to put a good enough team around him for the next several seasons...

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Mookie’s play was never going to be the question, at least not for a few more years. For Boston, it was a question of whether or not they would be able to put a good enough team around him for the next several seasons...
    Well, his high impact years have not worked out very, so far.

    2020 was a 60 game season.

    This year has been a let down over the first third of the year.
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Well, his high impact years have not worked out very, so far.

    2020 was a 60 game season.

    This year has been a let down over the first third of the year.
    2020 was also a championship for his team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    2020 was also a championship for his team.
    Yes, it was, but only getting 60 games of Betts in his prime was a loss for the Dodgers and their viewers and fans.
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    COVID has caused much worse losses.
    No doubt.
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Yes, it was, but only getting 60 games of Betts in his prime was a loss for the Dodgers and their viewers and fans.
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    The deal of getting a low priced Verdugo and two others for one year of Betts looks like a stroke of g[/B]enius.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldtimer View Post
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    The deal of getting a low priced Verdugo and two others for one year of Betts looks like a stroke of g[/B]enius.
    Huge credit to Bloom for getting a player of Verdugo's caliber in the deal.
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    I remember a long time ago when both Xander Bogaerts and Mookie Betts were very young players (call it 2014) someone was asked who is the better player between Mookie Betts and Xander Bogaerts. I forgot who the scout was and what the platform was, it might have been baseball America or pipeline. But his opinion at the time was that some scouts viewed Betts as the better player now, but saw Bogaerts as the better career. At 5-9, 180 Betts isn't a good bet to be performing in the second 1/2 of his contract. Smaller players tend to hit a cliff sooner and decline faster.

    I loved Mookie, and would have stood by keeping him here, but I understand the decision. Recently, I've been trying to face another reality about the Mookie trade that I think a lot of Boston fans don't want to consider. Mookie didn't want to resign here, he wanted to go to free agency and get paid (like 99% of other players) and the Sox knew it, so they got something for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Red Sox fan named Hugh View Post
    I remember a long time ago when both Xander Bogaerts and Mookie Betts were very young players (call it 2014) someone was asked who is the better player between Mookie Betts and Xander Bogaerts. I forgot who the scout was and what the platform was, it might have been baseball America or pipeline. But his opinion at the time was that some scouts viewed Betts as the better player now, but saw Bogaerts as the better career. At 5-9, 180 Betts isn't a good bet to be performing in the second 1/2 of his contract. Smaller players tend to hit a cliff sooner and decline faster.

    I loved Mookie, and would have stood by keeping him here, but I understand the decision. Recently, I've been trying to face another reality about the Mookie trade that I think a lot of Boston fans don't want to consider. Mookie didn't want to resign here, he wanted to go to free agency and get paid (like 99% of other players) and the Sox knew it, so they got something for him.
    Has there ever been a valid study on length of career and late career production by body type?
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Huge credit to Bloom for getting a player of Verdugo's caliber in the deal.
    He certainly looks like a keeper!

    We have 3 more arb years to go, too!

    That being said, it was Mookie Betts we traded, so getting something very good should have been expected.

    If Downs can give us anything, maybe even via another trade, it would be hard to view this trade as a loss.
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Has there ever been a valid study on length of career and late career production by body type?
    I don't know. But some athletes are unique, I think, and Mookie may be one of them. He's got the exceptional quick twitch muscles. He bowls 300 games. He can throw a baseball 300 feet or whatever it was. I would not *bet* against him.
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