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Thread: Why was Mookie traded, exactly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    This feels a lot like a political debate, and it's hard to be unbiased in such things. IMHO Larry's verbal disparagement of DD is worse, because he never calls him anything but Desperate Dave.

    700hitter did say some complimentary things about Ben. He said he was a stand-up guy in his dealings with the press. And the 'coffee boy' stuff, I think, got started when others suggested it was Lucchino who was responsible for some of the bad signings.
    Personally I’ve always felt Lucchino got a bad rap as a scapegoat. For a guy whose been linked to numerous winning franchises in multiple sports, he was actually pretty humble. I have always and still do hold Ben accountable for Sandoval.

    Hanley might not have been such a bad deal had he not injured his shoulder. Rusney had some pluses but never got a real chance and had his own injury problems. Although it is very possible DD’s original assessment that he was a 4th outfielder at best is correct.

    But I never liked Dombrowski’s “win now and fuck tomorrow” strategy, because it ALWAYS leads to messed up teams like the 2020 Red Sox that can take multiple seasons to fix...
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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    But I never liked Dombrowski’s “win now and fuck tomorrow” strategy, because it ALWAYS leads to messed up teams like the 2020 Red Sox that can take multiple seasons to fix...
    But it's pretty hard to deny that when Henry brought DD aboard, he knew he was going to get the “win now and fuck tomorrow” approach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    I fail to see how Desperate Dave "pales against" Coffee Boy LOL

    I think it's a wash, personally. Ben gets bashed for the last place finishes, DD gets bashed for decimating the farm. Neither gets better or worse treatment.
    Dave was "desperate" to win in Detroit- as the owner basically told him to be.

    I don't like the nickname, but it kinda fit.

    Sure, Ben had less power given to him than DD, but I see "coffee boy" and being more disparaging and unfitting, but that's just my opinion.

    Besides, it's not the worst thing said about Ben, either. Maybe, the most juvenile, but Ben was bashed harshly during and after his time with the Sox, and it lasted years afterwards.

    If Bloom is able to turn things around, quickly, my guess is the DD bashing will nearly go away. IMO, Ben was bashed more 2-3 years after he left than DD was within one year of leaving. I may be wrong, but that's my perception.

    Like I said, though, 3 last place finishes compared to DD's 3 years of great teams put out by DD looked at without the context what was left them when the took over and what they left the next guy helps explain why it is what is is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    But it's pretty hard to deny that when Henry brought DD aboard, he knew he was going to get the “win now and fuck tomorrow” approach.
    Truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    But it's pretty hard to deny that when Henry brought DD aboard, he knew he was going to get the “win now and fuck tomorrow” approach.
    Doesn’t make me like it any better...

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