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Thread: Why was Mookie traded, exactly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    You said Dombrowski is 100% responsible for the Sox not being able to keep Mookie. Do you believe that or not?
    Well if you're going to hold me to that statement, then yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Actually blaming DD for the Mookie situation is an indictment of Dombrowski’s “Spend Heavy, Trade the Future, Win Now, Fuck Tomorrow” strategy he has been employing for several years and through multiple teams....
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    Quote Originally Posted by dgalehouse View Post
    Starting the 2019 season , these same folks were saying that we have almost the same team back , and things were looking good for a repeat. I guess they forgot about that.
    Personally, I have never blamed Dombrowski for the 2019 season. In fact, I defended him many times on that count.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimmi View Post
    Well if you're going to hold me to that statement, then yes.
    Sorry if it sounded that way, but I didn't mean to hold you to it. I was just looking for clarification.
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    There is really no doubt who is the single individual most responsible for Mookie Betts's departure.

    It's Mookie Betts.

    He's too darn good at baseball.

    If he was only, say, 10% less good, we would have been able to re-sign him.

    (Just trying for a little humor.)
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    So glad that they couldn't re-sign Mookie, but are planning on buying another sports franchise.
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    Yes but it is so much easier for some to blame Dave Dombrowski as opposed to ownership for the failure to keep the future Hall of Famer in town. I will continue to support Bloom since he is the one at the head of the table and in the mean time I'll continue to wait to see whether or not he actually does something of real significance for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cp176 View Post
    Yes but it is so much easier for some to blame Dave Dombrowski as opposed to ownership for the failure to keep the future Hall of Famer in town. I will continue to support Bloom since he is the one at the head of the table and in the mean time I'll continue to wait to see whether or not he actually does something of real significance for us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Henry brought us the WS! Must lick his boots and never question!
    Ha ha!

    Henry has brought us 4 WS, and we've always had the highest or 2nd-4th highest payrolls.

    Of course he can be and is questioned. But if choosing to support someone who has done the above makes you a boot-licker, I'm guilty as charged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Henry brought us the WS! Must lick his boots and never question!
    Right. Henry was the problem.

    It’s the guy who allowed for one of the highest budgets in MLB, not the guy who decided how to spend it...

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    Blaming it on Henry or blaming it on DD are probably both wrong.

    I think what happened is that Mookie played hardball from Day One and gave every reason to think he was heading all the way to an epic Free Agency.

    Which put the team in the position of either trading him or getting one last meaningless season for nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Blaming it on Henry or blaming it on DD are probably both wrong.

    I think what happened is that Mookie played hardball from Day One and gave every reason to think he was heading all the way to an epic Free Agency.

    Which put the team in the position of either trading him or getting one last meaningless season for nothing.
    I do agree it’s very likely Mookie forced the issue, but DD’s massive spending (which was hardly a new tactic for him) put the Sox in a position where they had no other choice...

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    I do agree it’s very likely Mookie forced the issue, but DD’s massive spending (which was hardly a new tactic for him) put the Sox in a position where they had no other choice...
    No other choice than what?

    The only reports we've ever had, and they're not confirmed, of course, are that the Red Sox offered either 300 or 310, and Mookie came back with 420.

    But the fact is that none of us know if there were any other negotiations that may have led Henry and Werner to conclude that it just wasn't happening.

    And I think it was you who floated the idea that after negotiations with Mookie stalled, they pivoted to the extensions with Sale and Bogaerts.
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    I am with Notin on this one.

    On a related topic, I really hope the Sox re-sign ERod. He is the anti-Mookie when it comes to free agency and new contracts. He's the kind of player I want on my team - someone who really wants to be here and isn't necessarily just looking for the largest amount of money.

    Get it done Bloom.

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    If you really buy into the theory that it was the tax concerns that prevented the Red Sox from keeping Mookie, then you have to blame Cherington too. Because a big chunk of the money on the payroll in 2018 and 2019 was carried over from Ben, and a big chunk of that chunk was dead money.
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