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Thread: Schilling & HOF

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    I believe the final vote will be revealed next week.

    Through 170 votes (43.4%):
    Ortiz 83.5
    Bonds 77.1
    Clemens 75.9
    Rolen 68.8
    Schilling 60 (down 20 votes)
    Helton 56.5

    Last year, Clemens and Bonds had their % drop by about 12% when comparing the public votes and the final tally. If voters treat Ortiz the same way they do those guys, he won't make it. The voting for most other players only dropped about 3 - 7%. If that's the case, he just may squeak in.

    Clemens, Bonds and Schilling all not getting in on their 10th ballot says a lot about the voting process. Now, I don't think the veterans committee does much better. How much should you really trust an institution that profited off of the blatant lie that Abner Doubleday created baseball? At least they call it a myth now.

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    Through 175:
    Ortiz 84.0
    Bonds 77.7
    Clemens 76.6
    Rolen 69.7
    Schilling 60.6 (down 21 votes)
    Helton 57.1

    ARod at 40.6% would not make it in this year even if every remaining voter picked him. Sosa has been eliminated in his last year of eligibility (as will Schilling, Bonds and Clemens most likely)
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    AP wrote this today:

    A 10-time All-Star, Ortiz batted .286 with 541 homers and 1,768 RBIs in a career that started with the Twins before they released him to avoid a big payday in arbitration. After arriving in Boston, he finished in the top five of the AL MVP balloting for each the next five seasons; he came in sixth in his final year, 2016, when he batted .315 with 38 homers and 127 RBIs for what may be the best walk-off season in baseball history.

    But Ortiz’s case is also buttressed by his contributions in big moments, with 23 game-winning hits in his career — three of them during the 2004 postseason, when he helped Boston end its 86-year World Series drought. He led the team to two more titles after that, including 2013, when he helped his “(expletive) city” heal after the Boston Marathon bombing and then batted .688 against the Cardinals to win the World Series MVP.


    Ortiz’s only blemish was a reported positive in survey testing that was supposed to be anonymous and used to determine whether to institute regular testing. Ortiz denied using steroids, and Commissioner Rob Manfred said in 2016 “I think it would be wrong” to exclude him from the Hall of Fame based on that lone test.

    Ortiz is already one of the most beloved athletes in Boston history, with streets named after him both at Fenway Park and outside the Red Sox spring training complex in Fort Myers, Florida. The team has retired his No. 34.


    The Hall of Fame could be next.


    I'm not sure anyone saw anything like this when he first showed up in Spring Training in 2003. He had a great swing, but holy hell... What a story.
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    Jayson Stark's ballot:

    First-timers
    Ortiz
    Rollins

    Holdovers
    Bonds
    Clemens
    Schilling
    Rolen
    Wagner
    Helton
    Kent
    Sheffield

    From an incredibly long and detailed column in The Athletic explaining every choice along with why he left off others like A-Rod and Manny. It gets a little boring and long-winded, but give him credit, he takes his ballot seriously and conscientiously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Jayson Stark's ballot:

    First-timers
    Ortiz
    Rollins

    Holdovers
    Bonds
    Clemens
    Schilling
    Rolen
    Wagner
    Helton
    Kent
    Sheffield

    From an incredibly long and detailed column in The Athletic explaining every choice along with why he left off others like A-Rod and Manny. It gets a little boring and long-winded, but give him credit, he takes his ballot seriously and conscientiously.

    When it comes to covering baseball, there’s Gammons, Kurkjian, Stark and Rosenthal, and then a very, very long drop off…

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    Ortiz at 83.7 through 178 ballots (approx 45.4%).

    If he gets 67.8% of the remaining voters to vote for him, he's in.
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    @baseballhall
    One. More. Day.

    Tune in to @MLBNetwork TOMORROW at 6 p.m. ET as the BBWAA Hall of Fame election results are announced!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Ortiz at 83.7 through 178 ballots (approx 45.4%).

    If he gets 67.8% of the remaining voters to vote for him, he's in.
    At 184 ballots now (46.9%):
    Ortiz 84.2 (needs 66.8% of remaining ballots to vote yes)
    Bonds 77.2
    Clemens 76.1
    Rolen 69.6
    Schilling 60.9 (down 22 votes)
    Helton 56.1
    Jones 50.0
    Wagner 49.5
    Sheffield 47.3 (can get in if 99.5% of remaining ballots vote yes)
    Last edited by mvp 78; 01-25-2022 at 01:34 PM.
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    Today is the day.

    Ortiz is at 83.7 with 50% of the ballots being made public. Needs to be on 66.3% of the remaining votes to get in.
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    @PassonJim
    Private vs Public Differential per the
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    HOF ballot tracker (218 public ballots thus far):

    Bonds -22.7%
    Clemens -21.4%
    Sheffield -16.9%
    Rolen -16.7%
    Ramírez -14.3%
    Jones -14.2%
    Sosa -12.9%
    Helton -10.9%
    Ortiz -8.4%

    Vizquel +26.7%
    Hunter +7.8%
    Nathan +5.6%

    The fact that Vizquel is a +27% while Clemens/Bonds are -22% among private voters really tells you all you need to know about this process.
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