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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    They took it now, because they wanted to cut $2.5M from their budget and felt it was the best offer.
    And because if they waited, they knew there was a legitimate chance they would not be able to unload him...

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Two of those "stinker seasons" saw an ERA under 5 and a WHIP under 1.39. While that is not all that good for $21M, it's about what most team's 3rd or 4th starters offer, but without 200+ IP.

    Badenhop was not on the top of the resume, but he was a nice find at that cost.

    No, Ben was not great at pitcher additions, but not all were stinkers.

    He did worse with HRam & Pablito.
    No argument with that conclusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    And because if they waited, they knew there was a legitimate chance they would not be able to unload him...
    The health was a major factor, granted, but no way they trade him, if he was making $850K.

    Would you have given 4 Chavises for him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    The health was a major factor, granted, but no way they trade him, if he was making $850K.

    Would you have given 4 Chavises for him?
    Sure. Would they take it? Probably not.

    Maybe the Sox should inquire about Richard Rodriguez...

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Sure. Would they take it? Probably not.
    Let's try this: here's how BTV might match the values of our prospects to those the Yanks actually gave up for Taillon:

    Smith OF 7.6> Yorke 2B 7.6
    Yajure P 5.4> Potts 3B 5.4
    Contreras P 4.8> Song P 4.6
    Escotto SS 4.0> Rosario 4.0

    Would you give those 4?

    Or?

    7.6 Yorke
    6.0 Chavis
    5.3 Ward
    4.3 Groome

    Or?
    10.8 Jimenez
    5.3 Ward
    4.3 Groome
    3.0 Murphy

    Or?
    6.0 Jordan
    5.3 Ward
    5.0 Lugo
    4.3 Groome
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Let's try this: here's how BTV might match the values of our prospects to those the Yanks actually gave up for Taillon:
    We can't totally rely on BTV for prospect values, though. I'm guessing Ben had his own evaluations of these prospects.
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    It doesn’t make sense for the Sox to get Taillon with him hitting the market after 2022. If Taillon was controlled in 23, he’d do it

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch View Post
    It doesn’t make sense for the Sox to get Taillon with him hitting the market after 2022. If Taillon was controlled in 23, he’d do it
    Only because you think a team spending over $200M a year will take 5 years to rebuild. (We're already in year 2 or 3.)

    BTW, your team took just days to rebuild.

    Remember?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    We can't totally rely on BTV for prospect values, though. I'm guessing Ben had his own evaluations of these prospects.
    No you can't, so that's one reason I provided 4 or 5 examples.

    I'm not saying any would have been preferred by Ben, but my suggested offers are likely close to what it might have taken.

    (I bet Ben would take the one with Jimenez in it.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    No you can't, so that's one reason I provided 4 or 5 examples.

    I'm not saying any would have been preferred by Ben, but my suggested offers are likely close to what it might have taken.

    (I bet Ben would take the one with Jimenez in it.)
    Maybe he would take that one.

    But we're supposed to be trying to build up our farm again, not re-decimating it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    For PIT, even $2.5M is too much salary.

    IMO, Ben got hosed, but I've been wrong often.
    Most evaluators of this trade feel that Ben did a good job.

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    I tend to be results oriented. The ultimate goal is winning. For a G.M. or most anyone. The proof is in the pudding so to speak. But sometimes when the pudding turns out terrible , some folks still say that the cook did a good job. That is true loyalty . Or true stubbornness .

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgalehouse View Post
    I tend to be results oriented. The ultimate goal is winning. For a G.M. or most anyone. The proof is in the pudding so to speak. But sometimes when the pudding turns out terrible , some folks still say that the cook did a good job. That is true loyalty . Or true stubbornness .
    In other words, you still don't get the praise for Bloom, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Maybe he would take that one.

    But we're supposed to be trying to build up our farm again, not re-decimating it.
    None of the trades I mentioned would come close to "decimation." I'll be thrilled if these 4 combines even play 2 years in MLB, let alone at the level Taillon is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimmi View Post
    Most evaluators of this trade feel that Ben did a good job.
    Is there some survey results somewhere?
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