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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Odorizzi might end up getting $10M AVV or less.

    One could view the $15M saved from Price as getting us Odorizzi and Sawamura, or Richards & Samamura, or Ottavino & EHern.

    I'd say it was worth it.
    Also worth considering what price franchises put on assembling rosters of employees who will help unify morale, respect authority and not publicly shame the organization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5GoldGloves:OF,75 View Post
    Also worth considering what price franchises put on assembling rosters of employees who will help unify morale, respect authority and not publicly shame the organization.
    I'm not all that big on this aspect of team building, but I do think it makes a difference, most of the time.

    Price was not a plus in this area.

    I was glad we were able to dump half his salary- almost as happy as when we dumped most CC's salary in the first Dodger dump trade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Or maybe they will. Some free agent signings do end up as bargains.
    A bargain is in the eye of the beholder.

    A $10 million annual salary might not be a bargain on Jake Odorizzi, whom ZiPS projects with a 2021 WAR of 1.8 in 24 starts. As a point of reference, ZiPS projects a 2021 WAR of 2.7 in 23 starts from James Paxton, who signed a one-year contract for $8.5 million plus incentives.

    FanGraphs Depth Charts and Steamer narrow the gap in projected WAR but still give Paxton the edge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harmony View Post
    A bargain is in the eye of the beholder.

    A $10 million annual salary might not be a bargain on Jake Odorizzi, whom ZiPS projects with a 2021 WAR of 1.8 in 24 starts. As a point of reference, ZiPS projects a 2021 WAR of 2.7 in 23 starts from James Paxton, who signed a one-year contract for $8.5 million plus incentives.

    FanGraphs Depth Charts and Steamer narrow the gap in projected WAR but still give Paxton the edge.
    Well, of course, with baseball players and all their variances, you can generally only judge bargains in retrospect. Which is not quite the same as being in the eye of the beholder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harmony View Post
    A bargain is in the eye of the beholder.

    A $10 million annual salary might not be a bargain on Jake Odorizzi, whom ZiPS projects with a 2021 WAR of 1.8 in 24 starts. As a point of reference, ZiPS projects a 2021 WAR of 2.7 in 23 starts from James Paxton, who signed a one-year contract for $8.5 million plus incentives.

    FanGraphs Depth Charts and Steamer narrow the gap in projected WAR but still give Paxton the edge.
    But how many of those incentives will Paxton reach if he has a 2.7 fWAR season?

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    But how many of those incentives will Paxton reach if he has a 2.7 fWAR season?
    James Paxton will earn a $750,000 bonus for reaching 10 games and another $750,000 at 20 games (for a maximum of $10 million). The ZiPS projection is based on 23 starts.

    Paxton joins a Seattle rotation headed by fellow lefthanders Marco Gonzales, Justus Sheffield and Yusei Kikuchi, who last year combined for 4.7 fWAR in 30 starts. The projected fifth slot goes to 26-year-old righthander Chris Flexen, a refugee from the Korean Baseball Organization. Vying for the final slot in the six-man rotation will be 25-year-old righthander Justin Dunn and 24-year-old lefthander Nick Margevicius, who last year combined for a 4.39 ERA in 17 starts (although Dunn had concerning peripherals and Margevicius was less impressive in three relief appearances). The Mariners have three starters among the Top 70 prospects at Baseball Prospectus and, if disgraced former president Kevin Mather is to be believed, righthander Logan Gilbert will be called up in April.

    Which is more than anyone wanted to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5GoldGloves:OF,75 View Post
    Also worth considering what price franchises put on assembling rosters of employees who will help unify morale, respect authority and not publicly shame the organization.
    Eh, unifying morale is overrated
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    Quote Originally Posted by harmony View Post
    James Paxton will earn a $750,000 bonus for reaching 10 games and another $750,000 at 20 games (for a maximum of $10 million). The ZiPS projection is based on 23 starts.

    Paxton joins a Seattle rotation headed by fellow lefthanders Marco Gonzales, Justus Sheffield and Yusei Kikuchi, who last year combined for 4.7 fWAR in 30 starts. The projected fifth slot goes to 26-year-old righthander Chris Flexen, a refugee from the Korean Baseball Organization. Vying for the final slot in the six-man rotation will be 25-year-old righthander Justin Dunn and 24-year-old lefthander Nick Margevicius, who last year combined for a 4.39 ERA in 17 starts (although Dunn had concerning peripherals and Margevicius was less impressive in three relief appearances). The Mariners have three starters among the Top 70 prospects at Baseball Prospectus and, if disgraced former president Kevin Mather is to be believed, righthander Logan Gilbert will be called up in April.

    Which is more than anyone wanted to know.
    Lol are you sure you're a Red Sox fan? You sure love talking about those Mariners. The last time they made the playoffs I was 3
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Lol are you sure you're a Red Sox fan? You sure love talking about those Mariners. The last time they made the playoffs I was 3
    Always been a Mariner's fan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Always been a Mariner's fan.
    I was being facetious
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Lol are you sure you're a Red Sox fan? You sure love talking about those Mariners. The last time they made the playoffs I was 3
    Seattle Mariner fan since 1995.

    Studies the Red Sox the way a native speaker studies a second language.

    The Red Sox had not been in the postseason in 11 seasons the year I turned 3 and soon thereafter suffered seven straight losing seasons (a dubious feat the Mariners have not accomplished in the past 30 years). Last season notwithstanding, the Red Sox have compiled better records and captured more titles than the M's over that period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harmony View Post
    Seattle Mariner fan since 1995.

    Studies the Red Sox the way a native speaker studies a second language.

    The Red Sox had not been in the postseason in 11 seasons the year I turned 3 and soon thereafter suffered seven straight losing seasons (a dubious feat the Mariners have not accomplished in the past 30 years). Last season notwithstanding, the Red Sox have compiled better records and captured more titles than the M's over that period.
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    Eh, unifying morale is overrated
    Ya, my step-father grew up playing on a team with Whitey Ford, and good character was all they ever talked about. I didn't get it, because I grew up in a decade when the A's and Yankees kept fighting themselves and winning pennants almost every single year.

    Nowadays, with guaranteed kajillion-dollar contracts, player attitudes may mean more than ever (see Betts, Mookie). Every contender would do well to also ensure it has some young, hungry and not-yet-rich stars in the mix...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5GoldGloves:OF,75 View Post
    Ya, my step-father grew up playing on a team with Whitey Ford, and good character was all they ever talked about. I didn't get it, because I grew up in a decade when the A's and Yankees kept fighting themselves and winning pennants almost every single year.

    Nowadays, with guaranteed kajillion-dollar contracts, player attitudes may mean more than ever (see Betts, Mookie). Every contender would do well to also ensure it has some young, hungry and not-yet-rich stars in the mix...
    There's definitely a bunch of guys that are "clubhouse cancers" that you don't want to mess with, Puig being at the top of that list. I thought Sale would do that to the Sox clubhouse when we got here, but I am glad I was proved wrong
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    There's definitely a bunch of guys that are "clubhouse cancers" that you don't want to mess with, Puig being at the top of that list. I thought Sale would do that to the Sox clubhouse when we got here, but I am glad I was proved wrong
    I loved what Sale did in Chicago, and it did not tear the team apart, at all.
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