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Thread: Has Gerrit Cole been cheating?

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    I say juice the baseball and juice the pitchers.
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    ( I won't say the "C word.")

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    I say juice the baseball and juice the pitchers.

    I say ban all fastballs under 95mph. They take too damn long to get to home plate, and it does add up when you have a lot of them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    I say ban all fastballs under 95mph. They take too damn long to get to home plate, and it does add up when you have a lot of them...
    Or have a second mound closer to the plate for guys who only throw 90.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Let’s use a slightly larger sample size...
    Oh sure, throw water on a perfectly good conspiracy theory...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Oh sure, throw water on a perfectly good conspiracy theory...
    I'm just saying, maybe we need at least three innings before we come to any conclusions. Four would be idea, but at least three... .

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    Bring back the 15" mound and the ball from 2020.
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    Also, reinstate the banned elbow pad that Barry Bonds used to use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    I'm just saying, maybe we need at least three innings before we come to any conclusions. Four would be idea, but at least three... .
    I blame Cora for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    I blame Cora for that.
    Well, he has already been fired for cheating once. So I guess you think he was just covering his tracks..

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    The MLB is always three steps behind on these issues. How long have they known about pitchers using various substances to improve their grip? It's been a universally known secret that just about every pitcher uses something to this effect. Rather then set rules for what is and what isn't acceptable, they just let it slide. But now that pitchers are dominating and it's making MLB look bad, they're putting the onus on players even though MLB has been allowing them to use these substances with no repercussions for decades. It's basically the same thing that happened with steroids, just look the other way until the issue comes to a head, and then blame the players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Or have a second mound closer to the plate for guys who only throw 90.
    And a third mound even closer for Rich Hill and Kyle Hendricks and anyone still throwing the knuckle ball...

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    Nothing is going to help the offense very much unless the hitters get smarter. Ted Williams used to talk about how stupid pitchers were. Today , it is the hitters who are stupid. You can watch a guy chase the same slider in the dirt three times in the same at bat. Then the next guy does likewise. Try swinging at strikes , not balls in the dirt. With two strikes, shorten your swing and try to put the ball in play. Hit to all fields. Learn how to bunt. These are not revelations. They are basics.
    Old school is good school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgalehouse View Post
    Nothing is going to help the offense very much unless the hitters get smarter. Ted Williams used to talk about how stupid pitchers were. Today , it is the hitters who are stupid. You can watch a guy chase the same slider in the dirt three times in the same at bat. Then the next guy does likewise. Try swinging at strikes , not balls in the dirt. With two strikes, shorten your swing and try to put the ball in play. Hit to all fields. Learn how to bunt. These are not revelations. They are basics.
    I wouldn't hold my breath on that.

    From my armchair, I have some sympathy for the hitters. Pitchers throw harder on average than they ever did, and they can make the ball break more than they ever did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    I wouldn't hold my breath on that.

    From my armchair, I have some sympathy for the hitters. Pitchers throw harder on average than they ever did, and they can make the ball break more than they ever did.
    Exactly. Per Fangraphs, the average fastball is 94.3mph this year, which converts to 138 feet/second. So to travel 55 feet (an estimate from release point to plate) takes less than 0.4 seconds. Not a lot of time to decide to swing. Especially since you have to decide long before it gets to the plate, so maybe 0.2 seconds?

    And that’s for an average fastball...

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    Pitchers and hitters have forever been looking for ways to gain an advantage. The bigger question is : Are managers , coaches and organizations encouraging this ? Maybe even providing the material and instructions? That could be where the investigation leads.
    Old school is good school.

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