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    A Realistic View at 2021: Part III

    The trade deadline has come and gone. We added Schwarber and scraps. His best position is LF or DH, and that was not our highest need areas, in fact, it might have been our lowest need area. Don't get me wrong, I like the trade, especially if he can play 1B.

    We did not trade away much of our farm or meaningful vets.

    I'll leave the talk about 2022 for later, but here is how I see our 26 man roster shaping up, when all is healthy.

    1. Kike CF
    2. Verdugo LF
    3. Bogey SS
    4. JD DH
    5. Devers 3B
    6. Schwarber 1B
    7. Renfroe RF
    8. Arroyo 2B
    9. Vazquez C

    10-13 Bench (4):
    Plawecki
    Duran
    Marwin
    Dalbec

    14-18 SP'ers (5):
    Eovaldi
    Sale
    ERod
    Pivetta
    Perez

    19-26 RP'ers (8):
    Barnes
    Ottavino
    Whitlock
    Houck
    Taylor
    DHern
    Sawamura
    Valdez (Richards DFA?)

    (DFA: Santana & Andriese)

    Go SOX!

    Link to Part II

    https://www.talksox.com/forum/thread...t-2021-Part-II
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    I don't understand the idea of not pitching Houck for 8-9 days. Why is he missing his turn? Better yet, why can't he stay on the roster and pitch multiple innings?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    I don't understand the idea of not pitching Houck for 8-9 days. Why is he missing his turn? Better yet, why can't he stay on the roster and pitch multiple innings?
    It's like we are clinging to hopes on some of our starters that are fading quickly or already extinguished.

    I get the idea of keeping as many options on teh table for as long as possible, but the "possible time" is here and now.

    Our rotation is in shambles. There is no sugar coating it. Shambles.

    Eovaldi is the only sure bet.

    I'm thrilled and excited about Sale's return, but all year I've said we shouldn't count on anything from him. That has not changed.

    ERod was showing good signs for 6 straight starts, then the head ache and implosion. Now, those hopes are waining.

    Pivetta seems to be the best hope of the next 3, but he's been a mess, too.

    Perez was doing a hell of a job, but his recent sample size of crap is no longer small. He's a mess.

    Richards is our poster boy for "Shambles." I wouldn't blink if we DFA'd him.

    I love Houck in the pen, but the rotation takes precedent.

    I had hopes when they said they were stretching out Whitlock, but that ain't happening.

    We are stuck with what we got, so yes, why not use Houck instead of Richards?

    Our pen is still very good without Houck, and Sawamura should be back, soon, right?
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    I believe Sawamura was activated for tonight's game.

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    This starting staff is starting to shape up like the 2011 staff that collapsed in September. I think that is where they are heading, but it will happen a month earlier so it will not hurt as much. I guess we can hope that Chris Sale returns as 2017 Chris Sale. But is that realistic?
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    Sale will give this team a ton of swag back that’s a fact .Boogey man don’t give no Fucks .

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    Quote Originally Posted by a700hitter View Post
    This starting staff is starting to shape up like the 2011 staff that collapsed in September. I think that is where they are heading, but it will happen a month earlier so it will not hurt as much. I guess we can hope that Chris Sale returns as 2017 Chris Sale. But is that realistic?
    I've read that many pitchers who have returned from TJ surgery actually found an increase in their velocity. I know that was the case for Eovaldi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a700hitter View Post
    This starting staff is starting to shape up like the 2011 staff that collapsed in September. I think that is where they are heading, but it will happen a month earlier so it will not hurt as much. I guess we can hope that Chris Sale returns as 2017 Chris Sale. But is that realistic?
    If Sale is not at least 80% vintage Sale we are done.

    80% Sale
    Eovaldi
    Houck
    Pivetta/Rodriguez

    This is a rotation that can keep us in most games IMHO.

    Our real strength is at pen. If these guys keep us in games through five innings (I think most of the times have happened this season), we have a legit shot in POs.

    I give Bloom and Cora the benefit of the doubt. Thus far they have made a tremendous job with a subpar team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    The trade deadline has come and gone. We added Schwarber and scraps. His best position is LF or DH, and that was not our highest need areas, in fact, it might have been our lowest need area. Don't get me wrong, I like the trade, especially if he can play 1B.

    We did not trade away much of our farm or meaningful vets.

    I'll leave the talk about 2022 for later, but here is how I see our 26 man roster shaping up, when all is healthy.

    1. Kike CF
    2. Verdugo LF
    3. Bogey SS
    4. JD DH
    5. Devers 3B
    6. Schwarber 1B
    7. Renfroe RF
    8. Arroyo 2B
    9. Vazquez C

    10-13 Bench (4):
    Plawecki
    Duran
    Marwin
    Dalbec

    14-18 SP'ers (5):
    Eovaldi
    Sale
    ERod
    Pivetta
    Perez

    19-26 RP'ers (8):
    Barnes
    Ottavino
    Whitlock
    Houck
    Taylor
    DHern
    Sawamura
    Valdez (Richards DFA?)

    (DFA: Santana & Andriese)

    Go SOX!

    Link to Part II

    https://www.talksox.com/forum/thread...t-2021-Part-II
    Do you know where we are at this point against the CBT. We lost Chavis but picked up Schwaber and Robles? I am hoping we stayed below the limit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    It's like we are clinging to hopes on some of our starters that are fading quickly or already extinguished.

    I get the idea of keeping as many options on teh table for as long as possible, but the "possible time" is here and now.

    Our rotation is in shambles. There is no sugar coating it. Shambles.

    Eovaldi is the only sure bet.

    I'm thrilled and excited about Sale's return, but all year I've said we shouldn't count on anything from him. That has not changed.

    ERod was showing good signs for 6 straight starts, then the head ache and implosion. Now, those hopes are waining.

    Pivetta seems to be the best hope of the next 3, but he's been a mess, too.

    Perez was doing a hell of a job, but his recent sample size of crap is no longer small. He's a mess.

    Richards is our poster boy for "Shambles." I wouldn't blink if we DFA'd him.

    I love Houck in the pen, but the rotation takes precedent.

    I had hopes when they said they were stretching out Whitlock, but that ain't happening.

    We are stuck with what we got, so yes, why not use Houck instead of Richards?

    Our pen is still very good without Houck, and Sawamura should be back, soon, right?
    I agree with your assessment of our starting pitching. It puts a lot of pressure on Eovaldi. If we face top level pitching when he starts, we could be held down in runs. Notice that JDM is struggling now and both Arroyo and Schwaber are around two weeks away, maybe more. I really wonder if Schwaber can be effective at 1st. Maybe he can give JDM a rest. I hope there is more said about our lack of performance in the trade market. We did very little to help ourselves. What were the reasons we didn't compete?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldtimer View Post
    Do you know where we are at this point against the CBT. We lost Chavis but picked up Schwaber and Robles? I am hoping we stayed below the limit.
    I think we are safely under.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldtimer View Post
    I agree with your assessment of our starting pitching. It puts a lot of pressure on Eovaldi. If we face top level pitching when he starts, we could be held down in runs. Notice that JDM is struggling now and both Arroyo and Schwaber are around two weeks away, maybe more. I really wonder if Schwaber can be effective at 1st. Maybe he can give JDM a rest. I hope there is more said about our lack of performance in the trade market. We did very little to help ourselves. What were the reasons we didn't compete?
    The cost was too high.
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    Can Schwarber pitch?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedSoxNC84 View Post
    Can Schwarber pitch?
    I dunno about him but I think Plawecki can!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedSoxNC84 View Post
    Can Schwarber pitch?
    Iíll settle for 1B without pulling a hammy.
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