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Thread: A Realistic View at 2022: Part I

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tedballgame View Post
    True, and hopefully one or two pans out or leads to something else.
    Even if none work out, the money saved got us Renfroe and Sawamura.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Cook View Post
    Looking at potential pitching free agents that hang’em Chaim could sign this offseason is really interesting. We have a huge opportunity to upgrade the rotation and the bullpen,
    We may trade for a good one.
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    I could see us doing something like this:

    1. Sign ERod
    2. Extend Devers
    3. Sign Baez.
    4. Trade Duran & Downs for Montas.
    5. Look into trading Bogey for a young arm.
    6. Keep Houck and Whitlock in the pen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    I could see us doing something like this:

    1. Sign ERod
    2. Extend Devers
    3. Sign Baez.
    4. Trade Duran & Downs for Montas.
    5. Look into trading Bogey for a young arm.
    6. Keep Houck and Whitlock in the pen.
    I would think both Whitlock and Houck could be starters. It is much easier to look for good relievers.
    Is there a ready to go SS prospect in the farm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgar658 View Post
    I would think both Whitlock and Houck could be starters. It is much easier to look for good relievers.
    Is there a ready to go SS prospect in the farm?
    I 100% agree with you.

    With our history of having not produced starting pitchers, you would think Moon would want every pitcher that has opportunity to start in majors given chance to start.

    Yet he's more inclined to keep Whitlock in the pen and go spend for another Richards.

    He keeps straddling the fence.

    See I have no trouble saying it. Give Whitlock chance to start AND FIND HIS REPLACEMENT IN THE PEN.
    Boston ranks 20th in the majors in starter ERA (4.57).

    Manager Alex Cora said he’s not concerned about the starting pitching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    I 100% agree with you.

    With our history of having not produced starting pitchers, you would think Moon would want every pitcher that has opportunity to start in majors given chance to start.

    Yet he's more inclined to keep Whitlock in the pen and go spend for another Richards.

    He keeps straddling the fence.

    See I have no trouble saying it. Give Whitlock chance to start AND FIND HIS REPLACEMENT IN THE PEN.
    Whether Whitlock starts or is in the pen, it makes sense to acquire another starter.

    Yes, Bloom missed on Richards, but so what. Every GM has misses. Bloom has more hits than misses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgar658 View Post
    I would think both Whitlock and Houck could be starters. It is much easier to look for good relievers.
    Is there a ready to go SS prospect in the farm?
    Yes, both could be starters, and that will likely be one of this winter and next seasons biggest debate.

    IMO, getting good RP'er on the market is too hit and miss.

    I know starters do not have a much better track record, but I just hate spending big on RP'ers.

    Our 40 man roster is too deep now to go the quantity route in hopes 2 or 3 out of the 7 you sign come through. We don't have that "luxury" anymore.

    IMO, we will have 4, maybe 5, slots to fill by trade or FA signings. We can't use those slots on 5 low cost RP'ers. We need a utility infielder and another starter, even if we put Houck and Whitlock into the rotation. That's 2 of the 4-5 slots, right there.

    Bloom will have to do better than a few Andrieses at $3M.
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    The 40 Man Roster for 2022 (Before any trades or additions and assuming all free agents to be become FAs)

    Obvious (26):
    Bogey
    Barnes
    Sale
    Devers
    Brasier
    Eovaldi
    Taylor
    DHern
    Dalbec
    Verdugo
    Valdez
    Pivetta
    Arroyo
    Houck
    Bazardo
    Mata
    Groome
    Wong
    Seabold
    Whitlock
    Renfroe
    Kike
    Sawamura
    Ro. Hernandez
    Duran
    Davis

    Options:
    Vaz YES (#27)
    Richards NO
    Perez NO

    Player Options/Opt Outs:
    JD Martinez 50-50 (28?)
    Schwarber OPTs OUT

    QO:
    ERod (Offer- YES, Accepts- 50-50) (#28 or #29?)

    Rule 5: (6 players likely)
    Bello
    Crawford
    Downs
    Feltman
    Santos
    Winckowski

    That's 33-35 Players Total (JD & ERod unknown).
    We can add 5-7 players from outside the organization or keep some of these bubble players:

    Bubble:
    Arauz
    Plawecki (arb)
    Rosario
    Potts
    F German (Rule 5)
    G Jimenez (Rule 5)
    K Ort (Rule 5)
    T Ward (Rule 5)

    No More Team Control:
    Ottavino
    Santana
    Robles
    Shaw
    Iggy (already DFA'd)


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    If you think getting RP'er through free agency is a good idea, here is the record or recent season signings: (I'm not leaving anyone out. This is the complete list of the RP'er getting more than $5M.

    2020-2021
    $54M/3 Hendriks 71 IP, 0.732 WHIP, 2.54 ERA,
    $17.5M/2 Treinen 72 IP, 0.982, 1.99

    $15.5M/2 T May 63, 1.261. 3.59
    $12.5M/2 P Baez 4 IP
    $11M/1 Rosenthal 0 IP
    $10.5M/1 B Hand 43. 1.148, 3.59 (was DFA'd)
    $7M/2 K Giles 0 IP
    $6.3M/1 A Colome 65 IP, 1.400, 4.15
    $6.0M/1 A Bradley 51, 1.431, 3.71
    $5.5M/1 K Yates 0 IP
    $5.0M/1 A Bass 61, 1.288, 3.82

    $5.0M/1 J McGee 60, 0.905, 2.72
    $5.2M/2 J Wilson 34, 1.412, 5.29


    19-20
    $40M/3 W Smith (14 IP then 68, 1.095, 3.64)
    $34M/4 Pomeranz (19 IP then 26, 1.083, 1.62)
    $24M/3 W Harris (18 & 6 IP. 1.609, 4.56))
    $14M/2 C Martin
    $11M/2 D Hudson
    $10.5/1 Betances
    $10M/1 Treinen
    $9M/2 Stammen
    $9M/1 Glausman
    $8M/2 Smith
    $7.5M/2 Diekman
    $6.4M/2 Yamaguchi
    $6M/1 Cishek
    $5.0M/1 Romo
    $5.5M/2 J Rodriguez
    $5.0M/2 P Johnson

    18-19
    $43M/3 Kimbrel 96IP in 3 yrs, 1.139, 3.67
    $39M/3 Britton 99 IP in 3, 1.216, 2.65
    $30M/3 Familia 146 IP, 1.555, 4.62
    $27M/3 Ottavino
    $25M/2 A Miller
    $25M/3 J Kelly
    $23M/3 D Robertson
    $18M/2 Herrera
    $15M/2 Soria
    $10M/2 J Wilson
    $9M/1 Cahil
    $8.5/1 Cody Allen
    $8M/2 J Chavez
    $7M/1 D Holland



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    It will be good to revisit recommendations for Redsox offseason moves after watching the ALCS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    I could see us doing something like this:

    1. Sign ERod
    2. Extend Devers
    3. Sign Baez.
    4. Trade Duran & Downs for Montas.
    5. Look into trading Bogey for a young arm.
    6. Keep Houck and Whitlock in the pen.
    I prefer keeping Bogaerts over signing Baez. Hopefully they can extend Bogaerts.

    I don’t think it will be a remarkably active off-season despite the lackluster finish. Hopefully add a starter or two (possibly ERod as one?) and get a 2b and an arm or two in the pen. I do agree that keeping Houck and Whitlock both in the pen is key.

    And please Bloom, do NOT bring back Martin Perez…

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    I prefer keeping Bogaerts over signing Baez. Hopefully they can extend Bogaerts.

    I don’t think it will be a remarkably active off-season despite the lackluster finish. Hopefully add a starter or two (possibly ERod as one?) and get a 2b and an arm or two in the pen. I do agree that keeping Houck and Whitlock both in the pen is key.

    And please Bloom, do NOT bring back Martin Perez…
    If I had to guess, I doubt anything really major is done, but I do see a few significant moves being made. Last winter, our biggest moves were:

    $10M Richards
    $8M Ottavino trade
    $7M x 2 Kike
    $6M Perez
    Beni Trade

    The little ones worked okay, including Renfroe & Whitlock.

    Since I think we have less holes to fill, this winter, and as much money to spend as last winter, we should be able to spend more per player, this year.

    Let's hope Bloom does his homework.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    I prefer keeping Bogaerts over signing Baez. Hopefully they can extend Bogaerts.

    I don’t think it will be a remarkably active off-season despite the lackluster finish. Hopefully add a starter or two (possibly ERod as one?) and get a 2b and an arm or two in the pen. I do agree that keeping Houck and Whitlock both in the pen is key.

    And please Bloom, do NOT bring back Martin Perez…
    How much will Baez cost?

    If you factor in trading Bogey for a decent pitcher, it might amount to Bogey vs Baez + a good pitcher and a little more cash.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    How much will Baez cost?

    If you factor in trading Bogey for a decent pitcher, it might amount to Bogey vs Baez + a good pitcher and a little more cash.

    Duran will bring back a better pitcher, and the Sox don’t need to replace him. (Although I get dealing Bogaerts is a pre-emptive strike.)

    I prefer holding Bogaerts, but as for whether or not Bloom deals him, I can see arguments for and against.

    However I don’t see him getting dealt for a good pitcher, at least not directly. Any team acquiring one year of Bogaerts is presumably holding on to their pitching…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Whether Whitlock starts or is in the pen, it makes sense to acquire another starter.

    Yes, Bloom missed on Richards, but so what. Every GM has misses. Bloom has more hits than misses.
    You are missing the point. Whitlock should be a starter and I have no problem saying it. All of you straddle the fence, as always. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

    We complain about not having starters and then turn a possible starter into a reliever. That's just plain stupid.
    Last edited by Nick; 10-23-2021 at 07:54 AM.
    Boston ranks 20th in the majors in starter ERA (4.57).

    Manager Alex Cora said he’s not concerned about the starting pitching.

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