I could see us doing something like this:
1. Sign ERod
2. Extend Devers
3. Sign Baez.
4. Trade Duran & Downs for Montas.
5. Look into trading Bogey for a young arm.
6. Keep Houck and Whitlock in the pen.
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
I 100% agree with you.
With our history of having not produced starting pitchers, you would think Moon would want every pitcher that has opportunity to start in majors given chance to start.
Yet he's more inclined to keep Whitlock in the pen and go spend for another Richards.
He keeps straddling the fence.
See I have no trouble saying it. Give Whitlock chance to start AND FIND HIS REPLACEMENT IN THE PEN.
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Championships since purchase by John Henry group: Red Sox 4 Yankees 1
The Red Sox are 8-1 in their last 9 postseason games against the Yankees.
Yes, both could be starters, and that will likely be one of this winter and next seasons biggest debate.
IMO, getting good RP'er on the market is too hit and miss.
I know starters do not have a much better track record, but I just hate spending big on RP'ers.
Our 40 man roster is too deep now to go the quantity route in hopes 2 or 3 out of the 7 you sign come through. We don't have that "luxury" anymore.
IMO, we will have 4, maybe 5, slots to fill by trade or FA signings. We can't use those slots on 5 low cost RP'ers. We need a utility infielder and another starter, even if we put Houck and Whitlock into the rotation. That's 2 of the 4-5 slots, right there.
Bloom will have to do better than a few Andrieses at $3M.
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
The 40 Man Roster for 2022 (Before any trades or additions and assuming all free agents to be become FAs)
Obvious (26):
Bogey
Barnes
Sale
Devers
Brasier
Eovaldi
Taylor
DHern
Dalbec
Verdugo
Valdez
Pivetta
Arroyo
Houck
Bazardo
Mata
Groome
Wong
Seabold
Whitlock
Renfroe
Kike
Sawamura
Ro. Hernandez
Duran
Davis
Options:
Vaz YES (#27)
Richards NO
Perez NO
Player Options/Opt Outs:
JD Martinez 50-50 (28?)
Schwarber OPTs OUT
QO:
ERod (Offer- YES, Accepts- 50-50) (#28 or #29?)
Rule 5: (6 players likely)
Bello
Crawford
Downs
Feltman
Santos
Winckowski
That's 33-35 Players Total (JD & ERod unknown).
We can add 5-7 players from outside the organization or keep some of these bubble players:
Bubble:
Arauz
Plawecki (arb)
Rosario
Potts
F German (Rule 5)
G Jimenez (Rule 5)
K Ort (Rule 5)
T Ward (Rule 5)
No More Team Control:
Ottavino
Santana
Robles
Shaw
Iggy (already DFA'd)
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
If you think getting RP'er through free agency is a good idea, here is the record or recent season signings: (I'm not leaving anyone out. This is the complete list of the RP'er getting more than $5M.
2020-2021
$54M/3 Hendriks 71 IP, 0.732 WHIP, 2.54 ERA,
$17.5M/2 Treinen 72 IP, 0.982, 1.99
$15.5M/2 T May 63, 1.261. 3.59
$12.5M/2 P Baez 4 IP
$11M/1 Rosenthal 0 IP
$10.5M/1 B Hand 43. 1.148, 3.59 (was DFA'd)
$7M/2 K Giles 0 IP
$6.3M/1 A Colome 65 IP, 1.400, 4.15
$6.0M/1 A Bradley 51, 1.431, 3.71
$5.5M/1 K Yates 0 IP
$5.0M/1 A Bass 61, 1.288, 3.82
$5.0M/1 J McGee 60, 0.905, 2.72
$5.2M/2 J Wilson 34, 1.412, 5.29
19-20
$40M/3 W Smith (14 IP then 68, 1.095, 3.64)
$34M/4 Pomeranz (19 IP then 26, 1.083, 1.62)
$24M/3 W Harris (18 & 6 IP. 1.609, 4.56))
$14M/2 C Martin
$11M/2 D Hudson
$10.5/1 Betances
$10M/1 Treinen
$9M/2 Stammen
$9M/1 Glausman
$8M/2 Smith
$7.5M/2 Diekman
$6.4M/2 Yamaguchi
$6M/1 Cishek
$5.0M/1 Romo
$5.5M/2 J Rodriguez
$5.0M/2 P Johnson
18-19
$43M/3 Kimbrel 96IP in 3 yrs, 1.139, 3.67
$39M/3 Britton 99 IP in 3, 1.216, 2.65
$30M/3 Familia 146 IP, 1.555, 4.62
$27M/3 Ottavino
$25M/2 A Miller
$25M/3 J Kelly
$23M/3 D Robertson
$18M/2 Herrera
$15M/2 Soria
$10M/2 J Wilson
$9M/1 Cahil
$8.5/1 Cody Allen
$8M/2 J Chavez
$7M/1 D Holland
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
It will be good to revisit recommendations for Redsox offseason moves after watching the ALCS.
I prefer keeping Bogaerts over signing Baez. Hopefully they can extend Bogaerts.
I don’t think it will be a remarkably active off-season despite the lackluster finish. Hopefully add a starter or two (possibly ERod as one?) and get a 2b and an arm or two in the pen. I do agree that keeping Houck and Whitlock both in the pen is key.
And please Bloom, do NOT bring back Martin Perez…
If I had to guess, I doubt anything really major is done, but I do see a few significant moves being made. Last winter, our biggest moves were:
$10M Richards
$8M Ottavino trade
$7M x 2 Kike
$6M Perez
Beni Trade
The little ones worked okay, including Renfroe & Whitlock.
Since I think we have less holes to fill, this winter, and as much money to spend as last winter, we should be able to spend more per player, this year.
Let's hope Bloom does his homework.
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
Duran will bring back a better pitcher, and the Sox don’t need to replace him. (Although I get dealing Bogaerts is a pre-emptive strike.)
I prefer holding Bogaerts, but as for whether or not Bloom deals him, I can see arguments for and against.
However I don’t see him getting dealt for a good pitcher, at least not directly. Any team acquiring one year of Bogaerts is presumably holding on to their pitching…
You are missing the point. Whitlock should be a starter and I have no problem saying it. All of you straddle the fence, as always. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
We complain about not having starters and then turn a possible starter into a reliever. That's just plain stupid.
Last edited by Nick; 10-23-2021 at 07:54 AM.
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