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Thread: A Realistic View at 2022: Part I

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Since when is K% more important than OPS, WAR or other values? (That's not to say Bogey does not have great values, there, but why use K's?)

    WAR
    21
    5.1 Correa
    4.9 Bogey
    3.6 Bogey
    3.3 Story
    3.1 Swanson

    20-21
    7.4 Semien
    6.8 Bogey
    6.0 Correa
    5.7 Story
    4.9 Swanson
    3.6 Baez (HAD A BAD 2020)

    OPS
    21
    .875 Bogey
    .845 Correa
    .826 Baez
    .801 Story
    .774 Swanson

    18-21
    .898 Bogey
    .882 Story
    .823 Baez
    .811 Semien
    .808 Correa

    Bogey is so good you had to give him double the WAR!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Why not keep Bogey AND sign a SS?
    I would do it, but would Bloom? If the Sox move X to another position, would he opt out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5GoldGloves:OF,75 View Post
    I would do it, but would Bloom? If the Sox move X to another position, would he opt out?
    He may opt out if you keep him at SS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5GoldGloves:OF,75 View Post
    I would do it, but would Bloom? If the Sox move X to another position, would he opt out?
    I would put it at 100% if he is moved, based on previous statements made about how he feels about the position. But it’s probably at like 95% if he stays at shortstop anyway…

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Signing a FA would cost a QO comp pick at most. Trading for Bogey would cost prospects plus the worry of Bogey leaving at year end. Better to go with the stability of the FA class IMO. It's the opt out that hurts Bogey's value the most.
    No comp pick for Baez, since he was traded mid season (No QO).

    Teams might value the short term nature of Bogey's "low cost" deal. Teams that think 2022 is their best chance but don't want to give out any long term deals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    I would put it at 100% if he is moved, based on previous statements made about how he feels about the position. But it’s probably at like 95% if he stays at shortstop anyway…
    Sign Story and have him play 2B. If Xander leaves, Story moves to SS. If Xander stays, try to work out who gets SS long term.

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    I would sit Xander down and try to reason with him that RF and 2B would be a better fit for him as he ages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    I would sit Xander down and try to reason with him that RF and 2B would be a better fit for him as he ages.
    He's faster than Kiké, maybe he could take over in CF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    He may opt out if you keep him at SS.
    I think it's 100% he opts out.

    The question is, do we re-sign him?

    If we think we won't, we might want to be proactive and sign someone, this year- a year with 3 excellent choices (but costly).
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    Red Sox 2022:

    Schwarber 1B
    Kiké 2B
    Story SS
    Correa 3B
    Renfroe RF
    Xander CF
    Devers LF

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Sign Story and have him play 2B. If Xander leaves, Story moves to SS. If Xander stays, try to work out who gets SS long term.
    I could be wrong, but I think Story is clearly the better defensive SS. If I sign him, I trade or move Bogey to 2B (or 3B, if we want to get radical.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Red Sox 2022:

    Schwarber 1B
    Kiké 2B
    Story SS
    Correa 3B
    Renfroe RF
    Xander CF
    Devers LF
    Kike is a great CF'er. Why move Bogey to CF, instead of 2B?
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    I think it's 100% he opts out.

    The question is, do we re-sign him?

    If we think we won't, we might want to be proactive and sign someone, this year- a year with 3 excellent choices (but costly).
    At some point, the Sox have to throw a bone to Red Sox Nation TM. They need to extend somebody long term. Why not Xander and Raffy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Kike is a great CF'er. Why move Bogey to CF, instead of 2B?
    Bogey is faster than Kiké. Maybe he still wants to play next to his buddy Raffy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    I could be wrong, but I think Story is clearly the better defensive SS. If I sign him, I trade or move Bogey to 2B (or 3B, if we want to get radical.)
    Devers could go to LF.

    I do worry about Story's numbers away from Coors.

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