Yankees 2021-2022 Offseason Thread

[Bellhorn04]

You still have Stanton, Judge, Andujar and whatever big bulky new injury-prone players Cashman adds.

My sense is you're trying to rain on Jax's parade.

[moonslav59]

My sense is you're trying to rain on Jax's parade.

I see him about to repeat the same evaluation of next year's Yankee team "on paper" and assume hardly anybody gets hurt.

No doubt, if the Yanks just had normal injuries, this year and in previous years, they'd have won a lot more. That's one reason why they always look so good on paper, but keep coming up short.

Why should that change, if they bring back the same injury-prone players or replace some with bulky players from the same mold?

The other reason they keep coming up short is that being from NY, they get a lot of attention, and maybe some of their players just aren't and never were as good as the hype made them out to be.

[bkzwhitestrican]

It was a disappointing season by our standards. But it's not like this was some shit team. They underperformed and still won 92 games. Depending on what moves the team makes and progression/regression of players, this team could still come back next season and win 100 games. Or 80. Who knows. I'll probably be more inclined to speculate and dream on it in March.

[Thunder]

I see him about to repeat the same evaluation of next year's Yankee team "on paper" and assume hardly anybody gets hurt.

No doubt, if the Yanks just had normal injuries, this year and in previous years, they'd have won a lot more. That's one reason why they always look so good on paper, but keep coming up short.

Why should that change, if they bring back the same injury-prone players or replace some with bulky players from the same mold?

The other reason they keep coming up short is that being from NY, they get a lot of attention, and maybe some of their players just aren't and never were as good as the hype made them out to be.

Imagine how bad this team would have been if Stanton and Judge had missed significant time this year. They were both healthy the vast majority of the season, and carried the load offensively.

[moonslav59]

It was a disappointing season by our standards. But it's not like this was some shit team. They underperformed and still won 92 games. Depending on what moves the team makes and progression/regression of players, this team could still come back next season and win 100 games. Or 80. Who knows. I'll probably be more inclined to speculate and dream on it in March.

No, the Yanks are far from being a shit team, and I agree that your teams often look very good on paper, when you assume great or even normal health.

I could be wrong in assuming the excessive Yankee injuries should be expected and even counted on. Do you Yankee fans disagree with my position?

Here are the winning percentages of recent Yankee teams starting with 2021 and going backwards:

.568
.550
.636
.617
.562
.519
.537
.519
.525

Your pythW-L% was lower than the actual number in 6 of these 9 years, including 3 of the last 4 years.

While your teams have done well for many years, maybe they are not under performing as much as you think.

[moonslav59]

Imagine how bad this team would have been if Stanton and Judge had missed significant time this year. They were both healthy the vast majority of the season, and carried the load offensively.

Yes, they did, and who here thinks they will combine for 1,212 or more PAs in 2022?

While the 33 year old LeMahieu might have been playing hurt all year, he still got 679 PAs. How many can we expect, next year?

[jacksonianmarch]

I found this piece to be rather interesting:

Former MLB exec: Gerrit Cole isn’t an ace without sticky stuff so Yankees are working on solution with Commissioner’s Office

Former Miami Marlins president David Samson joined The Rich Eisen Show on Thursday, and laid into Cole, who didn’t make it out of the third inning in New York’s 6-2 loss in the American League Wild Card Game.

“Gerrit Cole has a great contract on paper. He makes a ton of money. But at the end of the day, without foreign substances, he’s far less effective. He’s not really an ace.”

That led to this exchange between Eisen and Samson:

Eisen: “So are you saying Gerrit Cole is not going to be the same pitcher because the sticky stuff is no longer allowed? Is that truly what you are saying?”

Samson: “I’m saying that the New York Yankees are working very closely with the Commissioner’s Office and they are trying to develop a foreign substance that is agreed to by the union as part of the new Collective Bargaining Agreement and they are testing that substance by calling up Gerrit Cole and saying, ‘Hey, do you like this one? Do you like that one?’ Gotta do something.”

I don't know how much truth there is to that, but I hope the Commissioner's Office is not catering to Gerrit Cole and the Yankees.

Two thoughts. 1. That's garbage. Once he adjusted to the no-spider tack, he had a 7-8 start run where he was unhittable. Then he hurt his hammy. Prior to the start where he hurt his hamstring, he had an 8 start run where he pitched to: 50IP 13ER 37H 12BB 80K. Then he hurt his hamstring and was absolute garbage thereafter. 2. MLB is going to release a pre-tacked ball for 22.

[bkzwhitestrican]

No, the Yanks are far from being a shit team, and I agree that your teams often look very good on paper, when you assume great or even normal health.

I could be wrong in assuming the excessive Yankee injuries should be expected and even counted on. Do you Yankee fans disagree with my position?

Here are the winning percentages of recent Yankee teams starting with 2021 and going backwards:

.568
.550
.636
.617
.562
.519
.537
.519
.525

Your pythW-L% was lower than the actual number in 6 of these 9 years, including 3 of the last 4 years.

While your teams have done well for many years, maybe they are not under performing as much as you think.

I don't think injuries affected this year's team as much as prior years. Judge/Stanton/Cole were mostly healthy all year. We did have a lot of supporting players miss time but I think the underperformance of healthy players was the biggest issue (primarily DJ, Torres, Frazier, Gio).

And Pyth record is a pointless stat so I don't think it proves anything. A team can win a single game by 20 runs and then lose the next 20 by 1 run, and Pyth record would suggest that they should be .500. The Yankees have had a highly ranked bullpen over the last decade and have won more close games because of it, so it would make sense for their expected Win% to be lower.

[moonslav59]

I don't think injuries affected this year's team as much as prior years. Judge/Stanton/Cole were mostly healthy all year. We did have a lot of supporting players miss time but I think the underperformance of healthy players was the biggest issue (primarily DJ, Torres, Frazier, Gio).

And Pyth record is a pointless stat so I don't think it proves anything. A team can win a single game by 20 runs and then lose the next 20 by 1 run, and Pyth record would suggest that they should be .500. The Yankees have had a highly ranked bullpen over the last decade and have won more close games because of it, so it would make sense for their expected Win% to be lower.

I just mentioned the pyth record as one piece of evidence that shows the Yanks have not really had non injury bad luck over most of the years.

To me, the main reason you guys never seem to be "as good as on paper" is the injuries, and it is something that happens more often than most teams, but not out of bad luck.

[jacksonianmarch]

I don't think injuries affected this year's team as much as prior years. Judge/Stanton/Cole were mostly healthy all year. We did have a lot of supporting players miss time but I think the underperformance of healthy players was the biggest issue (primarily DJ, Torres, Frazier, Gio).

And Pyth record is a pointless stat so I don't think it proves anything. A team can win a single game by 20 runs and then lose the next 20 by 1 run, and Pyth record would suggest that they should be .500. The Yankees have had a highly ranked bullpen over the last decade and have won more close games because of it, so it would make sense for their expected Win% to be lower.

Voit, Frazier, and Hicks were major parts of the off season plan for the 21 Yanks and all three were on the shelf by May 1. I think you’re not remembering how dominant Voit was last year and how high his expectations were.

[moonslav59]

Voit, Frazier, and Hicks were major parts of the off season plan for the 21 Yanks and all three were on the shelf by May 1. I think you’re not remembering how dominant Voit was last year and how high his expectations were.

Now, after just one season, riddled by injuries, even you are done with Voit.

[jacksonianmarch]

Now, after just one season, riddled by injuries, even you are done with Voit.

It’s not the “riddled with injuries” I’m worried about. It is the type of injury he has. He had a meniscectomy followed by a “bone bruise” from normal wear and tear then he hurt himself again running down the baseline. When you take a piece of the meniscus off, you accelerate arthritis. My concern is the next procedure we hear about is micro fracture surgery and the success of that is terrible

[jacksonianmarch]

So Thames and Pillitere are gone. That shocks no one. Blake stays, that also shocks no one. Now go get me a manager who doesn’t suck at picking his relievers and who holds his players accountable.

[Bellhorn04]

So Thames and Pillitere are gone. That shocks no one. Blake stays, that also shocks no one. Now go get me a manager who doesn’t suck at picking his relievers and who holds his players accountable.

I see Aaron back on a new 3 year deal. Cash is going to show the world he knows how to pick a manager.

[bkzwhitestrican]

I see Aaron back on a new 3 year deal. Cash is going to show the world he knows how to pick a manager.

That didn't happen (at least not yet). Don't be scaring us like that.