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    Quote Originally Posted by S5Dewey View Post
    But MLB isn't capitalism in it's strictest sense. The Federal Government is colluding with MBL by granting the anti-trust exemption. Amazon, WalMart, etc., companies that are operating under the capitalistic principles are subject to the laws governing interstate commerce where MLB is not.

    MLB’s antitrust exemption resulted from a 1922 Supreme Court ruling that stated, somewhat incredulously, that the business of Major League Baseball did not constitute “interstate commerce,” thus making it exempt from the Sherman Act, which prevents businesses from conspiring with one another in an effort to thwart competition.
    This anti-trust exemption has given teams the right to operate as a defacto monopoly even though there are several teams operating in several states.

    IMO this is a pretty good read on MLB's anti-trust exemption, the history of it, and how it affects baseball.
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...me/7211552002/
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    Quote Originally Posted by harmony View Post
    In bare bones capitalism prospective employers and prospective employees are free to negotiate with whomever they wish for that exchange of wages and services.

    In that respect, MLB does not fit the bill.
    One could argue once a player hits arbitration that it exactly fits the bill.

    Of course, that is not the case based on your playing time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Red Sox fan named Hugh View Post
    One could argue once a player hits arbitration that it exactly fits the bill.

    Of course, that is not the case based on your playing time.
    With the exception of the small percentage who reach free agency, the player is not free to bargain with any team (and teams are not free to bargain with any player).

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Red Sox fan named Hugh View Post
    One could argue once a player hits arbitration that it exactly fits the bill.

    Of course, that is not the case based on your playing time.
    Since so many professional players never make it to the bigs, let alone arbitration, and even less to free agency, the thought that there is a give and take is just too rare to be considered fair.
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    Its going to be a boring few months of baseball if the lock out continues. No one can do anything during the lock out so there won't be any information coming out.

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    It is interesting that some folks who see themselves as pro labor and anti management still have no problem with trading players, and proposing trades , as if the players were expendable chess pieces. Do they realize how disruptive some of these trades are to the people involved, especially those with families ? And the idea that if they don't like it , they can always quit and move to Asia to play pro ball is not realistic for most. MLB is their career , their livelihood. These labor vs management disputes can be difficult . The owners are mostly billionaires. And the players , for the most part , are becoming wealthy at a young age. They know it's a business. And they know what they are signing up for, and sometimes you have to take the good with the bad. But I do find it odd that folks who are all pro labor , still think the trading of players is such fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dgalehouse View Post
    It is interesting that some folks who see themselves as pro labor and anti management still have no problem with trading players, and proposing trades , as if the players were expendable chess pieces. Do they realize how disruptive some of these trades are to the people involved, especially those with families ? And the idea that if they don't like it , they can always quit and move to Asia to play pro ball is not realistic for most. MLB is their career , their livelihood. These labor vs management disputes can be difficult . The owners are mostly billionaires. And the players , for the most part , are becoming wealthy at a young age. They know it's a business. And they know what they are signing up for, and sometimes you have to take the good with the bad. But I do find it odd that folks who are all pro labor , still think the trading of players is such fun.
    It's a blast!

    Maybe half the players like being traded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harmony View Post
    With the exception of the small percentage who reach free agency, the player is not free to bargain with any team (and teams are not free to bargain with any player).

    But they are free to bargain with the Northern League, KBO, NPB, the Japanese PCL, and, well, any of the numerous leagues on this list.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...seball_leagues

    Just like Carter Stewart did…

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgalehouse View Post
    It is interesting that some folks who see themselves as pro labor and anti management still have no problem with trading players, and proposing trades , as if the players were expendable chess pieces. Do they realize how disruptive some of these trades are to the people involved, especially those with families ? And the idea that if they don't like it , they can always quit and move to Asia to play pro ball is not realistic for most. MLB is their career , their livelihood. These labor vs management disputes can be difficult . The owners are mostly billionaires. And the players , for the most part , are becoming wealthy at a young age. They know it's a business. And they know what they are signing up for, and sometimes you have to take the good with the bad. But I do find it odd that folks who are all pro labor , still think the trading of players is such fun.
    And if we stop proposing trades on Internet forums, it will stop this horrible practice in the real world, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    It's a blast!

    Maybe half the players like being traded.

    Like how Steve Piscotty wound up in Oakland?

    Piscotty is from the Bay Area, and when his mother was diagnosed with Alzheimer’s, he asked the Cardinals if he could be dealt closer to home. For no reason that benefited their team, the Cardinsls dealt him to the A’s for two minor league utility infielders (one of whom was Yairo Munoz)…

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    Like how Steve Piscotty wound up in Oakland?

    Piscotty is from the Bay Area, and when his mother was diagnosed with Alzheimer’s, he asked the Cardinals if he could be dealt closer to home. For no reason that benefited their team, the Cardinsls dealt him to the A’s for two minor league utility infielders (one of whom was Yairo Munoz)…
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    Quote Originally Posted by dgalehouse View Post
    It is interesting that some folks who see themselves as pro labor and anti management still have no problem with trading players, and proposing trades , as if the players were expendable chess pieces. Do they realize how disruptive some of these trades are to the people involved, especially those with families ? And the idea that if they don't like it , they can always quit and move to Asia to play pro ball is not realistic for most. MLB is their career , their livelihood. These labor vs management disputes can be difficult . The owners are mostly billionaires. And the players , for the most part , are becoming wealthy at a young age. They know it's a business. And they know what they are signing up for, and sometimes you have to take the good with the bad. But I do find it odd that folks who are all pro labor , still think the trading of players is such fun.
    Everyone acts out of self-interest.

    The owners are interested in getting money from the fans.
    The players are interested in getting money from the owners.
    The fans are interested in getting entertainment-performance and wins-from the players.

    There's not much sentiment on anyone's part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Everyone acts out of self-interest.

    The owners are interested in getting money from the fans.
    The players are interested in getting money from the owners.
    The fans are interested in getting entertainment-performance and wins-from the players.

    There's not much sentiment on anyone's part.
    Sometimes, you make too much sense!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Everyone acts out of self-interest.

    The owners are interested in getting money from the fans.
    The players are interested in getting money from the owners.
    The fans are interested in getting entertainment-performance and wins-from the players.

    There's not much sentiment on anyone's part.
    Ah, but both the owners and players -- through assumptions that fans will always come back (until we die off) -- prey upon our nostalgia for the game... and the uniforms; though for some reason, I can't imagine both Rays fans showing future enthusiasm for seeing their heroes in Montreal Expos' duds half the time.

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    What goes on between the owners and the players is a power struggle, basically.
    Championships since purchase by John Henry group: Red Sox 4 Yankees 1

    The Red Sox are 8-1 in their last 9 postseason games against the Yankees.

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