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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Were they afraid he'd take a $320M counteroffer?
    Not sure what this means.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    When Bogey and/or Raffy leave:

    Poster 1: Sox didn't give him/them a competitive offer!
    Poster 2: Sure they did!
    Poster 3: They gave him/them an offer, but it wasn't a REAL offer. They knew he/they wouldn't take it. It was just for the fans.
    Poster 2: It was the offer the best offer they wanted to make.
    Poster 1: They should have given a more competitive offer.
    Poster 4: But they couldn't! It would have messed up their budget.
    Poster 5: And what would happen if there was an injury? Older players just break down. That's going to be about 3 years of a drain on the payroll. He'll/they'll only be worth if for the first 5 years.
    Poster 6: Or not.
    Mod: Poster 6 is now banned.
    And just when you think you know the answers they change the questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    I thought you were worried about that horse lying there?
    You're right, I beat dead horses too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Not sure what this means.
    Maybe they did not counter with $320, because they did not want to pay him that much. They felt the $300M offer was good enough to please the fans.

    As related to the initial low-ball Lester offer, one of the biggest issues of contention was the lack of a counter offer until he reached free agency and it became clear Theo was not going to be outbid.
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    As related to the initial low-ball Lester offer, one of the biggest issues of contention was the lack of a counter offer until he reached free agency and it became clear Theo was not going to be outbid.
    But if the reports are true, Lester was treating the Sox very much as a contender for his services. He even took the step of informing the Giants it was down to the Sox and the Cubs.

    Theo had to pay a pretty hefty premium to close the deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Red View Post
    And just when you think you know the answers they change the questions.
    I just know we have the same few conversations that repeat over and over again. I'm not sure I've ever seen someone change their mind because of an argument on here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    You're right, I beat dead horses too.
    It's better to do when they are dead than still living.

    Today, all of our horses are out in the field and we don't know when they are coming back. Not much to talk about with all the tumbleweeds scooting by.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    But if the reports are true, Lester was treating the Sox very much as a contender for his services. He even took the step of informing the Giants it was down to the Sox and the Cubs.

    Theo had to pay a pretty hefty premium to close the deal.
    Mookie never got to FA. We'd have a clearer answer (maybe) about this if that happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Mookie never got to FA. We'd have a clearer answer (maybe) about this if that happened.
    Is this a better question? Would the Sox have been more inclined to give Mookie a higher offer in FA after the 2020 season?

    1. Coming off a horrible year.
    2. They had reset the lux tax penalties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Mookie never got to FA. We'd have a clearer answer (maybe) about this if that happened.
    Mookie didn’t get to FA, because the Sox didn’t want to let him walk out the door, and get nothing for him. Knowing in my opinion that the Sox were not going to get Mookie to sign a new contract I would have traded Mookie after 2018, and possibly got more for him like some pitching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Red View Post
    Mookie didn’t get to FA, because the Sox didn’t want to let him walk out the door, and get nothing for him. Knowing in my opinion that the Sox were not going to get Mookie to sign a new contract I would have traded Mookie after 2018, and possibly got more for him like some pitching.
    I meant if the Dodger traded for him and Mookie refused to sign a deal until the next offseason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Here's a list of the Sox Minor League Free Agents:

    RHP Jose Adames
    C Roldani Baldwin (re-signed 2/2)
    RHP Seth Blair
    RHP Colten Brewer (gone)
    RHP Matt Carasiti
    LHP Enmanuel De Jesus (gone)
    2B Chad De La Guerra
    RHP Jose De Leon (gone)
    RHP Jose Disla
    RHP Jose Espada
    RHP Raynel Espinal
    OF Michael Gettys (re-signed)
    LHP Stephen Gonsalves (I believe signed elsewhere)
    RHP Daniel Gossett
    RHP Zac Grotz
    C Christopher Herrmann
    SS Jose Iglesias
    LHP Matt Kent (gone)
    SS Jack Lopez (gone 2/9)
    OF Tate Matheny
    1B Joey Meneses (gone)
    OF Johan Mieses (re-signed)
    3B Yairo Munoz
    1B Josh Ockimey (GONE 2/14)
    LHP Tyler Olson
    LHP Yorvin Pantoja
    RHP Brad Peacock
    C Jhonny Pereda (gone)
    RHP Denyi Reyes (gone)
    RHP Yacksel Rios (gone)
    SS Jeremy Rivera
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    Excited to announce that I’ve signed with the Philadelphia Phillies! Thrilled to have the opportunity to play for the organization of my hometown. Looking forward to this year ⚾️
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    I meant if the Dodger traded for him and Mookie refused to sign a deal until the next offseason.
    Mookie did make it sound like testing free agency was important to him. I suppose it’s possible his $400mill counteroffer was not a serious one, either. “Sure I’ll re-sign. For oh maybe half a billion. Or heck - make it $400million.” If we think teams make non-serious offers solely for PR purposes, why do we think players don’t? (And why would anyone think the offer to Lester was for PR only? It netted exactly 0 characters worth of positive ink.)

    Maybe the pandemic heavily influenced Mookie’s decision more than we realize…

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
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    Excited to announce that I’ve signed with the Philadelphia Phillies! Thrilled to have the opportunity to play for the organization of my hometown. Looking forward to this year ⚾️
    While I understand his enthusiasm and confidence, does anyone think he makes his MLB debut for his hometown team?

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    While I understand his enthusiasm and confidence, does anyone think he makes his MLB debut for his hometown team?
    I'm a little disappointed that he didn't catch on with the Sox. I've been following his career more closely than other minor leaguers since he was my seat-mate on a flight from Philadelphia to Ft. Myers when he was getting to start his rookie season.

    Whether he makes his debut for the Phil's or not is beside the point. The Sox had made it plain that he didn't fit into their future plans and now he's had a chance to go 'home' and try his luck there. The landscape is littered with players who didn't quite make it and maybe Ockimey is going to be one of them but at least he's got a chance to go home and find out. Worse things than that have happened to a young man!
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