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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    What are the best deals from the MLBTR list of projected contracts? (Not necessarily the best deals for the Sox)

    I like Story & Baez
    ERod
    Graveman
    ERod at 5/70
    Iglesias 4/56
    Graveman 3/27
    Escobar 2/20

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    ERod at 5/70
    Iglesias 4/56
    Graveman 3/27
    Escobar 2/20
    Good call on Escobar.
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    I'm re-thinking my take on Story.

    He's only 28...okay he turns 29 in a week, and he's been over .800 for 4 straight years (.880 average), but these splits- home (.972) and Away (.752)- look very scary
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    ERod at 5/70
    Iglesias 4/56
    Graveman 3/27
    Escobar 2/20
    That totals $47M a year, which might be close to what the Sox could spend, this winter.

    Escobar would solve the 2B issue, force Kike FT in CF and help replace losing Schwarber's bat. (Arroyo becomes the infield utility player.)

    2 RP'ers would allow Houck or Whitlock to start: Eovaldi, Sale, ERod, Whitlock, Pivetta (Seabold).

    Our pen would go from suspect to a big plus:

    Houck, Iglesias, Graveman, Barnes, Brasier, Taylor, Sawamura/DHern/Davis/Bazardo/Valdez/Feltman
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Good call on Escobar.
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    I'm re-thinking my take on Story.

    He's only 28...okay he turns 29 in a week, and he's been over .800 for 4 straight years (.880 average), but these splits- home (.972) and Away (.752)- look very scary
    Yes, I don't like Story because of his away splits.

    Arenado also had massive splits, which now is a reverse split for STL 722 Home and 885 Away. It's always safer to stay away from Coors guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    That totals $47M a year, which might be close to what the Sox could spend, this winter.

    Escobar would solve the 2B issue, force Kike FT in CF and help replace losing Schwarber's bat. (Arroyo becomes the infield utility player.)

    2 RP'ers would allow Houck or Whitlock to start: Eovaldi, Sale, ERod, Whitlock, Pivetta (Seabold).

    Our pen would go from suspect to a big plus:

    Houck, Iglesias, Graveman, Barnes, Brasier, Taylor, Sawamura/DHern/Davis/Bazardo/Valdez/Feltman
    If they signed Iggy instead of Escobar, I wouldn't mind it. I think that Escobar is a good value though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    If they signed Iggy instead of Escobar, I wouldn't mind it. I think that Escobar is a good value though.
    That seems more realistic, and Escobar turns 33, soon.

    I think Bloom likes Arroyo, and maybe they are now seeing Downs join the late 2022 2B mix.

    ERod, R Iglesias, Graveman and Iggy might come to about $40M total.
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    We may go...

    $14M x 5 ERod
    $9M x 3 Graveman
    $9M x 2 Knebel
    $3M x 2 Iggy

    That's $35M and I think that would keep us under $210M.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    We may go...

    $14M x 5 ERod
    $9M x 3 Graveman
    $9M x 2 Knebel
    $3M x 2 Iggy

    That's $35M and I think that would keep us under $210M.
    Why Knebel? Hes just another repeated arm problem.

    I do think Graveman is a good target.

    Most pundits seem to think Semien is the 2b target. Both you and Soxprosoects.com think Iglesias is. No one seems to like Eduardo Escobar. But the guy has a 108 OPS+ and positive (although probably useless) defensive metrics at 2b, and has seriou switch/hitting power. And his last contract was only 3 years / $21mill, the total value here is probably less than the AAV for a contract that lands Semien

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    The Cards won 5 GG Awards- first time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Why Knebel?

    He’s just another repeated arm problem.

    I do think Graveman is a good target…
    $9M not $14M like Iglesias, and I noticed some guy from MLBTR projected the Sox as his landing place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    The Cards won 5 GG Awards- first time.
    And did so without Yadier Molina getting one…

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    $9M not $14M like Iglesias, and I noticed some guy from MLBTR projected the Sox as his landing place.

    But my point is Knebel is always hurt. Let him go to the Yankees, who like to sign oft-injured players and then gripe about how unlucky they are when these players get hurt.

    Knebel has 38 IP in the past 3 seasons. He does get hurt a lot. Sox might as well avoid..

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    ERod at 5/70
    Iglesias 4/56
    Graveman 3/27
    Escobar 2/20
    I like the both bullpen guys, but don't think Bloom will sign more than one established reliever this winter. He's not going to spend $80 million on free agent closers, when he can pick up a Joe Kelly for less (2/12? 3/15?), or deal for minimum wage arms he's undoubtedly targeting. And then if the front office deems the Sox contenders by mid-season, there are always decent recruits available at the deadline... like Graveman was, last summer.

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    Did mvp recommend Escobar?

    If so, I’m off Escobar now…

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    BTV "talked to Barzini" and the Sox can make a deal for Luis Castillo and still keep Casas/Mayer/Yorke...

    ...but lose all their Ds: -uran, -albec and -owns. They'd also give up Jay Groome-D the past Decade... plus Dilberto Dimenez. But toolsy Nick Senzel would be thrown in to become Boston's next Franchy (it might seem like an overpay, but not if the Reds are tired of waiting on a former MLB top-10 prospect).

    If you think Boston would be giving up too much of the farm for a potential #1 starter, then so does Chaim Bloom... maybe. If just two of those five prospects become MLB All-Stars, the Reds win the trade, right?

    Remember, Pedro Martinez had just won the NL CY Young Award when the Sox acquired him from Montreal. For the rest of his career, Pedro won 154 games, while the two guys he was swapped for -- Pavano and Armas -- won 161 combined. Then there's WAR: Pavano + Armas career = 23.3; Martinez post-trade 58.4.

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