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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post

    Maybe they bring Schwarber in for LF and decide to non-tender Renfroe?
    I think he has some trade value.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    I think he has some trade value.
    Not sure at 7M.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Not sure at 7M.
    Not much, but maybe a little.

    For what it's worth, BTV has him making $7.6M and worth $9.2M. (Net +$1.6M)

    He also has one arb year left, which has some value.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Schwarber is a stretch this year, but he'll be DH going forward when JD leaves next offseason. He seemed to fit really well with the clubhouse. You can play him at 1b for 1/2 a year until Casas is ready. Maybe he has a full year at 1b because Casas isn't called up until 2023?

    Maybe they bring Schwarber in for LF and decide to non-tender Renfroe?
    I’d rather have Renfroe than Schwarber. Schwarber is an on base machine, but Renfroe is a better outfielder.

    Sure Schwarber could step in for JD after next season, but is DH really all that tough to fill? JD would be better replaced with fellow free agent Trey Mancini of Baltimore doesn’t extend him…

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    I’d rather have Renfroe than Schwarber. Schwarber is an on base machine, but Renfroe is a better outfielder.

    Sure Schwarber could step in for JD after next season, but is DH really all that tough to fill? JD would be better replaced with fellow free agent Trey Mancini of Baltimore doesn’t extend him…
    I really like Schwarber, but I agree. We can do better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Am I the only one thinking Seager getting $325M/10 is insane?

    I'm fine with players making a ton of money, but this one seems way out of whack.
    I am against the Sox taking on that kind of risk, as it could easily turn out bad and seriously effect the teams flexibility in future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Not much, but maybe a little.

    For what it's worth, BTV has him making $7.6M and worth $9.2M. (Net +$1.6M)

    He also has one arb year left, which has some value.
    Not if the ARB is going to continue to increase. I like Renfroe, but I wouldn't pay him 9M.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    I really like Schwarber, but I agree. We can do better.
    There you go changing your tune on Schwaber again. You really straddle that fence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    I’d rather have Renfroe than Schwarber. Schwarber is an on base machine, but Renfroe is a better outfielder.

    Sure Schwarber could step in for JD after next season, but is DH really all that tough to fill? JD would be better replaced with fellow free agent Trey Mancini of Baltimore doesn’t extend him…
    Renfroe had a negative UZR. Those 12 errors aren't helping either. I think moving Verdugo to RF would improve the team defense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Not if the ARB is going to continue to increase. I like Renfroe, but I wouldn't pay him 9M.
    Renfroe was a good value this year for $3M, and driving in 96 RBI, which was a career high by far, but I wouldn’t count on him doing it again at a higher cost too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Renfroe had a negative UZR. Those 12 errors aren't helping either. I think moving Verdugo to RF would improve the team defense.
    Which is better on defense only?

    LF Schwarber
    CF Kike
    RF Verdugo

    LF Verdugo
    CF Kike
    RF Renfroe

    When we were about to start ST'ing, this year, I thought it was going to be:

    LF: Renfro/Cordero
    CF: Kike
    RF: Verdugo
    (If Kike played 2B, Cordero to CF was my thought/wonder)
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    Kiermaier is on the block. (BTV has him at -2.8 value.)

    I'm not for moving Kike to 2B, but it would fill that slot.

    BTV accepted this trade:

    Downs (+11.8) for Fairbanks (+10.5) and Kiermaier (-2.8).

    It also accepted Roario, Potts, Bazado and Ward for the same two players! LOL!
    Last edited by moonslav59; 11-30-2021 at 04:56 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Which is better on defense only?

    LF Schwarber
    CF Kike
    RF Verdugo

    LF Verdugo
    CF Kike
    RF Renfroe

    When we were about to start ST'ing, this year, I thought it was going to be:

    LF: Renfro/Cordero
    CF: Kike
    RF: Verdugo
    (If Kike played 2B, Cordero to CF was my thought/wonder)
    The Sox are not better on D with Schwaber playing anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Kiermaier is on the block.

    I'm not for moving Kike to 2B, but it would fill that slot.
    Kiermaier would not come cheap, and the Sox don’t have that much to trade that Tampa would want, and Tampa is just looking to get Kluber on the roster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Renfroe had a negative UZR. Those 12 errors aren't helping either. I think moving Verdugo to RF would improve the team defense.
    The 12 errors is a big part of what made him negative, but he was also negative in range:
    -3.0 ErrR
    -0.2 RngR
    +1.7 ARM

    -2.1 UZR/150 (career in RF: -0.8)

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