Remember when many of us were considering a QO for Eovaldi?
Remember when many of us were considering a QO for Eovaldi?
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
If Wacha was still on the shelf, there'd be little support for a QO for him either.Originally Posted by moonslav59
Championships since purchase by John Henry group: Red Sox 4 Yankees 1
The Red Sox are 8-1 in their last 9 postseason games against the Yankees.
..or, if he'd have comeback and looked shaky, like Nate did.
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
Yep. With pitchers of their age and erratic histories, the Recency Effect is off the charts.
Championships since purchase by John Henry group: Red Sox 4 Yankees 1
The Red Sox are 8-1 in their last 9 postseason games against the Yankees.
And IF Nate comes back and looks good in a few starts, a QO for him might came back into the conversation.
Championships since purchase by John Henry group: Red Sox 4 Yankees 1
The Red Sox are 8-1 in their last 9 postseason games against the Yankees.
I seriously doubt it, although both Nate and Wacha have had injury issues for much of their careers.
It's more likely neither get a QO.
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
Like Carlos Rodon, who will likely opt out.
A QO offer is not a bad idea for Wacha.
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
The thing about giving out QO's is even if it inflates the payroll it makes it very easy to reset the following year. Looking at a Devers extension the year after that might hold a lot of value.
At this point, what pitcher doesn't have some kind of injury history? It feels like everyone either has an injury or they're healthy and then you sign them and they get injured. Which is weird given how starting pitchers are throwing less innings now a days. I miss the days of old where work horses went 240 innings plus on the regular and pitched full careers.
I doubt we ever see someone pitch 332 innings and start 39 games like Nolan Ryan did back in the day. You have to think some of these guys are capable of it (not that, maybe 250/32) for many seasons but the new norm is to baby pitchers. And it doesn't seem to be resulting in a reduction of injuries at all. I could be wrong here.
In my opinion Ryan was just a freak of nature. The closest you will find in the current generation is Verlander, and even he finally needed TJS.
I still think of Billy Martin and his 1980 Oakland A's starting rotation. Billy rode them hard, and they all ended up having short careers.
Today's pitchers are throwing harder than ever and probably spinning the ball harder than ever too. The toll on their arms is self-evident. You're right that the babying doesn't seem to help. Not sure anything would.
Championships since purchase by John Henry group: Red Sox 4 Yankees 1
The Red Sox are 8-1 in their last 9 postseason games against the Yankees.
Verlander is the only pitcher to crack 250 IP since 2008 (Sabathia), and he only did it once at 251 IP in 2011.
Since 2000:
266 Roy Halladay '03
260 Randy Johnson '02
259 Curt Schilling '02
257 Curt Schilling '01
The most since 2015:
233 Kershaw '15
232 Keuchel '15
230 Price '16 BOS
229 Arrieta '15
228 Scherzer '15 & '16
228 Verlander '16
227 Sale '16 CWS
227 Bumgarner '16
223 Verlander '19 MOST since 2016!
Zach Wheeler led MLB in IP with 213 in 2021
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
Oh absoltely, he's the extreme example. But overall, the days of the 200 inning pitcher are over.
Yes, it looks like maybe 1-3 a year will just barely go over 200 IP.
It's been a steady decline for decades.
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The "head scratcher" comment took on a life of it's own- back in the day....
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