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    Quote Originally Posted by 5GoldGloves:OF,75 View Post
    Aren't the Badlands in SD?
    That doesn't sound right. I thought it was in Jersey?

    Well, lights out tonight
    Trouble in the heartland
    Got a head on collision
    Smashin' in my guts, man
    I'm caught in a cross fire
    That I don't understand
    But there's one thing I know for sure, girl
    I don't give a damn
    For the same old played out scenes
    Baby, I don't give a damn
    For just the in-betweens
    Honey, I want the heart, I want the soul
    I want control right now
    You better listen to me, baby
    Talk about a dream
    Try to make it real
    You wake up in the night
    With a fear so real
    You spend your life waiting
    For a moment that just don't come
    Well, don't waste your time waiting
    Badlands, you gotta live it everyday
    Let the broken hearts stand
    As the price you've gotta pay
    Keep pushin' 'til it's understood
    And these badlands start treating us good
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    Prediction: Sox will make MAJOR move within the next 180 hoursÖ..starting now (10:00PM Chaim Bloom Time 12/9)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    That doesn't sound right. I thought it was in Jersey?

    Well, lights out tonight
    Trouble in the heartland
    Got a head on collision
    Smashin' in my guts, man
    I'm caught in a cross fire
    That I don't understand
    But there's one thing I know for sure, girl
    I don't give a damn
    For the same old played out scenes
    Baby, I don't give a damn
    For just the in-betweens
    Honey, I want the heart, I want the soul
    I want control right now
    You better listen to me, baby
    Talk about a dream
    Try to make it real
    You wake up in the night
    With a fear so real
    You spend your life waiting
    For a moment that just don't come
    Well, don't waste your time waiting
    Badlands, you gotta live it everyday
    Let the broken hearts stand
    As the price you've gotta pay
    Keep pushin' 'til it's understood
    And these badlands start treating us good
    Sorry, Boss.

    Badlands National Park is in South Dakota. Jersey has no badlands, but they do have bad air and the Pine Barrens…

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Sorry, Boss.

    Badlands National Park is in South Dakota. Jersey has no badlands, but they do have bad air and the Pine BarrensÖ
    They just think their bad (asses.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Sorry, Boss.

    Badlands National Park is in South Dakota. Jersey has no badlands, but they do have bad air and the Pine Barrens…
    Dead bodies in the meadowlands!

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Sorry, Boss.

    Badlands National Park is in South Dakota. Jersey has no badlands, but they do have bad air and the Pine Barrens…
    That doesn't sound right. If the Badlands were in South Dakota, I'm sure they'd do a better job of marketing them rather than that mountain that they desecrated with some dynamite and chainsaws.
    Quote Originally Posted by A Red Sox fan named Hugh View Post
    Prediction: Sox will make MAJOR move within the next 180 hoursÖ..starting now (10:00PM Chaim Bloom Time 12/9)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    That doesn't sound right. If the Badlands were in South Dakota, I'm sure they'd do a better job of marketing them rather than that mountain that they desecrated with some dynamite and chainsaws.
    So maybe they made a poor decision about what to market? These are people who decided at one point to live in South Dakota.

    (I’m kidding. Stop.)
    Last edited by notin; 09-25-2022 at 06:34 PM.

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    The 22 Red Sox are playing out the string in last place. I keep reading that Bloom has built up our farm, but down the stretch the only prospects getting any experience are Cassas (hitting .150) and Bello without impressive results. Where is the future. Duran only loses value as he plays more at the MLB level. Downs is a complete bust, so they don’t dare expose him any more. Who from the farm is ready to step up next season and contribute?
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    Chaim, you are in the big leagues now. Drawing 10,000 fans a game is not going to cut it, and people donít buy tickets to Fenway to talk about the Farm

    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    "Relief pitchers are a crapshoot." No, the truth is "Crapshoot pitchers are relievers."

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    Quote Originally Posted by a700hitter View Post
    The 22 Red Sox are playing out the string in last place. I keep reading that Bloom has built up our farm, but down the stretch the only prospects getting any experience are Cassas (hitting .150) and Bello without impressive results. Where is the future. Duran only loses value as he plays more at the MLB level. Downs is a complete bust, so they donít dare expose him any more. Who from the farm is ready to step up next season and contribute?
    You expect a farm to start producing studs earlier than 3 years?

    Look at the players coming up from DD's farm. How long ago were they drafted or signed as IFAs?c

    Look at the studs DD inherited, and how long before they were acquired by Ben and Theo.

    You should know better.

    You can blame Bloom for drafting HS players over college, which prolongs the ETAs, but had he not drafted Mayer, would you have been happy?

    Casas was drafted in 2018.
    Duran drafted in 2018.
    Houck was drafted in 2017.
    Bello: IFA in 2017.
    Crawford drafted in 2017.
    Dalbec drafted in 2016.
    Bazardo: IFA 2014
    All other inherited, homegrown players were acquired in 2013 or earlier.

    Not a single DD prospect was called up within 3 years. I'm not sure how many Ben or Theo ones were.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a700hitter View Post
    The 22 Red Sox are playing out the string in last place. I keep reading that Bloom has built up our farm, but down the stretch the only prospects getting any experience are Cassas (hitting .150) and Bello without impressive results. Where is the future. Duran only loses value as he plays more at the MLB level. Downs is a complete bust, so they donít dare expose him any more. Who from the farm is ready to step up next season and contribute?
    Also, Casas and Bello were not Bloom additions- nor were Duran, Dalbec and other less than impressive prospects getting the call. You blame this on Bloom, too.

    Wow!
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Also, Casas and Bello were not Bloom additions- nor were Duran, Dalbec and other less than impressive prospects getting the call. You blame this on Bloom, too.

    Wow!
    I have heard that Bloom has greatly improved our farm system. We are finishing last, so I was hoping to see some help from the farm show up to help out for next year. When do you project that this will happen under Bloom’s plan?
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    Chaim, you are in the big leagues now. Drawing 10,000 fans a game is not going to cut it, and people donít buy tickets to Fenway to talk about the Farm

    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    "Relief pitchers are a crapshoot." No, the truth is "Crapshoot pitchers are relievers."

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    Quote Originally Posted by a700hitter View Post
    I have heard that Bloom has greatly improved our farm system. We are finishing last, so I was hoping to see some help from the farm show up to help out for next year. When do you project that this will happen under Bloomís plan?
    Hard to know.

    We have seen some help already, which you ignored, but not from drafted or IFA signings, just yet, and in that area, it may be a longer wait than you can accept, mostly due to Bloom drafting many HS players with his highest picks.

    Bloom acquired prospects that have played already:
    Whitlock (already proven to be better than any DD prospect)
    Wong
    Downs
    German
    Winckowski
    Z Kelly
    Seabold
    R Hern
    (Cordero, Schreiber and Refsnyder were not prospects, when acquired.)

    One could argue that Bloom's called-up farm additions (all via trade or Rule 5) have already shown more hope than all of DD's acquired prospects combined. That alone is astounding and objective.

    You can continue to ignore it.

    Soxprospects ETAs on Bloom's drafted or IFA prospects (with current ranking):

    2023

    2024
    4. Yorke

    Late 2024
    1. Mayer
    29. Drohan

    2025
    10. Paulino
    16. Jordan
    20. Hickey
    22. Kavadas

    2026 or beyond
    5. Bleis
    9. Romero
    11. Anthony
    21. Coffey
    28. Rodrigiez-Cruz
    30. Brannon

    Acquired b y trade ETAs
    2023
    14. E Valdez
    2024
    26. WAbreu, A Binelas

    DD Prospects knocking on the door:
    2023
    7. Mata (may be the best DD prospect of all.)
    12. Murphy (likely as a low-leverage RP'er)
    2024
    6. Rafaela (lots of promise)
    17. T Ward
    18. Lugo
    19. Perales
    2025
    10. Paulino (2025 is 8 yrs after signed as IFA!)
    15. Wikelman (has upside)
    24. Bonaci (89 BB/89 Ks, this season)
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    Add Walter to DD's prospects with an ETA of late 2023.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Hard to know.

    We have seen some help already, which you ignored, but not from drafted or IFA signings, just yet, and in that area, it may be a longer wait than you can accept, mostly due to Bloom drafting many HS players with his highest picks.

    Bloom acquired prospects that have played already:
    Whitlock (already proven to be better than any DD prospect)
    Wong
    Downs
    German
    Winckowski
    Z Kelly
    Seabold
    R Hern
    (Cordero, Schreiber and Refsnyder were not prospects, when acquired.)

    One could argue that Bloom's called-up farm additions (all via trade or Rule 5) have already shown more hope than all of DD's acquired prospects combined. That alone is astounding and objective.

    You can continue to ignore it.

    Soxprospects ETAs on Bloom's drafted or IFA prospects (with current ranking):

    2023

    2024
    4. Yorke

    Late 2024
    1. Mayer
    29. Drohan

    2025
    10. Paulino
    16. Jordan
    20. Hickey
    22. Kavadas

    2026 or beyond
    5. Bleis
    9. Romero
    11. Anthony
    21. Coffey
    28. Rodrigiez-Cruz
    30. Brannon

    Acquired b y trade ETAs
    2023
    14. E Valdez
    2024
    26. WAbreu, A Binelas

    DD Prospects knocking on the door:
    2023
    7. Mata (may be the best DD prospect of all.)
    12. Murphy (likely as a low-leverage RP'er)
    2024
    6. Rafaela (lots of promise)
    17. T Ward
    18. Lugo
    19. Perales
    2025
    10. Paulino (2025 is 8 yrs after signed as IFA!)
    15. Wikelman (has upside)
    24. Bonaci (89 BB/89 Ks, this season)
    I am not ignoring anything. I am also not imagining this last place finish or the lack of Major League readiness of prospects to help this team next season. I asked when we can expect to see help from the farm. If the answer is that is is hard to tell, that is not something that keeps a fan base happy.
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    Chaim, you are in the big leagues now. Drawing 10,000 fans a game is not going to cut it, and people donít buy tickets to Fenway to talk about the Farm

    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    "Relief pitchers are a crapshoot." No, the truth is "Crapshoot pitchers are relievers."

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    Quote Originally Posted by a700hitter View Post
    I am not ignoring anything. I am also not imagining this last place finish or the lack of Major League readiness of prospects to help this team next season. I asked when we can expect to see help from the farm. If the answer is that is is hard to tell, that is not something that keeps a fan base happy.
    You named farm guys like Casas and Bello, who were both DD additions as some sort of comment on Bloom's prospects, and failed to mention Whitlock or the somewhat promising Wong.

    Sounded like ignoring, to me.

    Bloom acquired prospects have already outperformed DD prospects, and we have yet to see a Bloom drafted or IFA signing promoted. If that doesn't say a lot, nothing will get through to you.

    You really think Bloom's drafting and farm should already be affecting our W-L record? Really?

    If yes, then you are missing the whole picture of what a farm system is or can be.

    The fact that Bloom's best draftees and signings were from HS or teen IFA signings means a longer wait for impatient fans is a reality but is not a bad thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    You named farm guys like Casas and Bello, who were both DD additions as some sort of comment on Bloom's prospects, and failed to mention Whitlock or the somewhat promising Wong.

    Sounded like ignoring, to me.

    Bloom acquired prospects have already outperformed DD prospects, and we have yet to see a Bloom drafted or IFA signing promoted. If that doesn't say a lot, nothing will get through to you.

    You really think Bloom's drafting and farm should already be affecting our W-L record? Really?

    If yes, then you are missing the whole picture of what a farm system is or can be.

    The fact that Bloom's best draftees and signings were from HS or teen IFA signings means a longer wait for impatient fans is a reality but is not a bad thing.
    Why would I mention Whitlock when discussing prospects coming down the pike. He was with the 21 team for the full season. He has had 2 full seasons. He isn’t new.
    Last edited by a700hitter; 09-25-2022 at 02:44 PM.
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    Chaim, you are in the big leagues now. Drawing 10,000 fans a game is not going to cut it, and people donít buy tickets to Fenway to talk about the Farm

    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    "Relief pitchers are a crapshoot." No, the truth is "Crapshoot pitchers are relievers."

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